Mice for Gaming

[NerdBoyZa]

My current K/B & mouse setup is a Microsoft Optical Wireless Desktop 2.0 kit.

Is it possible that wireless mice in general are not so great for playing games, and in particular BF2?

I sometimes find that the response from the mouse is laggy - hence I get shot a lot. Maybe I'm just blaming my tools..... you know the saying.....

Any suggestions for what mouse to use if the one I have is no good?

[s]A G5 lazer mouse does not work on a BLACK cermaic moby mousepad
[stokeedit :]Any optical mouse works fine though ... wierd.

[Ruslan74]

i've been using the Logitech MX1000 for over a year now and have no issues in FPS or any other games whatsoever, yet this mouse has double the bandwidth of regular wireless mice so maybe thats a difference.

if you go with a normal cord-enabled mouse choose the MX518 from Logitech though, many players swear by its accuracy. ;)

[NerdBoyZa]

Any idea how much each one of them babes would set me back?

[Ruslan74]

http://www.ngrcomputers.za.net/logitech-mx518-gaming-grade-optical-mouse-1600-sensor-p-2136.html

for the MX518... not a bad price...

and for the MX1000 :

http://www.ngrcomputers.za.net/logitech-cordless-mx1000-laser-scroll-wheel-mouse-usbps2-p-1321.html

[rainy]

I have a Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 - wired. Should cost about R400-500. Very nice baby.

http://www.ah-web.org/article/reviews/hardware/mslm6000

[BambisRevenge]

Is it possible that wireless mice in general are not so great for playing games, and in particular BF2?


Any suggestions for what mouse to use if the one I have is no good?
i personaly had and used a wireless mouse for a while and near the end i HATED it SOOOO much it was the most useless thing ever!!

soooo i decided to get a new one for christmas i was at first looking to buy a g5 but then i found razer and saw the copperhead and visually i fell in love with it. I got it and now performance wise ive falen in love with it! and thank god its not wireless... ive made a oath to my self that i will never use a wireless mouse again! as i found that thier performance just leaves a lot to be desired! if ur gonna get a new mouse i suggest a mx518 as they arnt too expensive and everyone ive heard from swears by them! the reason i didnt get one is because i dont like having a mouse that my hand fits exactly on so i have to put my WHOLE hand on it and with my copperhead its quite weirdly shaped and at first uncomfortable so i dont put my whole hand on it and its much smaller than the new range of logitech mice so i like it and now i wouldnt want any other mouse but thats me.

so basicly i suggest you get the mx518 unless u dont really use the side buttons and have some more money to go for the g5 but basicly mireless mice suck and the mx518 rules!

[SlappY]

I had a wireless setup. Sold it. Mouse is WAY too heavy. My right arm was getting more developed than the left.

Logitech G5. Uber Mouse. If mice ran a mob, this would be the Don.
Teflon feet, Weight Adjustable (cartridge system), Dual Laser tracking, On the Fly DPI adjustment (Good to speed up Tank turret swivel). Nice rubbery texture. Picked it up for 500 bucks from Rectron. (think it goes for about 750 at incredible corruption)

[SlappY]

And if you are in the spending mood, pick yourself up a Logitech G15 keyboard. Backlit keys, LCD screen (totally programable), 54 pre programable key hot key (18X3 modes). Extra USB goodies on the top. Cable routing...blah, blah, blah.. it is damm good

[NerdBoyZa]

I..... Mouse is WAY too heavy. My right arm was getting more developed than the left.

.... (think it goes for about 750 at incredible corruption)

LOL.

My right arm has the same problem.

Glad to meet someone else who also refers to them as Incredible Corruption.

[BambisRevenge]

or more like incredible capitilist

[TG]

I had a wireless setup. Sold it. Mouse is WAY too heavy. My right arm was getting more developed than the left.


Oh, just admit it, it was the surfing pr0n that caused your right arm to develop. :eek:


Personally, I use an MS Standard Wireless Optical - I have no issues with it at all.

[Alluvium]

firstly ... G5 allll the way .. !!!!

now that i got that out the way.. my friends have mx1000 and i find them laggy in windows... i think that is cause i have got a G5, the non stick pads on the bottom,and the adjustable weight option in the mouse, not to mention the in game mouse sensitivity cahnges make it a grrrreat mouse...

i can play on normal sens. then hope in a tank, and all i do is press the sens up button, and bang, easier tank turret control.

the G7 i would go for if you want wireless but thats like a grand,

and in closing

G5... G5 ...G5

[rainy]

Incredible are okay for certain things. In my town, they have by far the biggest game range. I also bought my Laser Mouse there (was bundled with AoE3)...

[w1z4rd]

I use a Razer Diamondback as my primary mouse, then I have a Logite3ch MX518 as my backup mouse. My Keyboard is a Logitech UltraX keyboard (you wanna get one of these!!!!)

[BambisRevenge]

if i get a l33t keboard ill get the g15

[BambisRevenge]

ya the copper head is very similar to the diamondback just with 2000dpi LAZER and better side buttons and onboard memory and it looks cooler IMO

[SlappY]

TG: Guilty as charged :)

[SlappY]

OK, this is a biggie...
Got the G15 to look at a web image. Which just so happens to be a tehsig.com BF2 sig. The results are quite cool (although not realtime)

(Doesnt look too pretty at the mo.)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5159/slappyg153uj.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slappyg153uj.jpg)

[TG]

Awesome! :)

[stoke]

/stoke makes note to get the G5 ... tired of not being able to move the mouse 0.1mm to the left to nail rainy properly.

[Bass]

The G5 is R495 and the G7 is R695 .. so the question is: Is it worthwhile going for the G7 for the extra R200 ??? (these are ex VAT prices though ..)

Come guys - I need to know .. :D

[SlappY]

Wireless = Batteries = Heavy!
G5 is weight adjustable.
G5 = Good.

But the Laser Engines are the same, so other than the corded vs. cordless deal it is pretty much the same mouse.

[rainy]

Oh shush, stoke, you nail me more often than not! :p

[Darnit696]

Go g5!

[Bass]

Great - is it not worth it to have cordless (I ask seeing as I've never had cordless, so don't know what the advantages are, other than no cord ...) ???

Thanks :)

[Darnit696]

The G5 is R495 and the G7 is R695 .. so the question is: Is it worthwhile going for the G7 for the extra R200 ??? (these are ex VAT prices though ..)

Come guys - I need to know .. :D
Where is that at? Is cheaper than any price I can get. Closest is R555 ex vat for g5

EDIT: The logitech corded mice come with a decent length of cord so there the biggest problem is solved namely cord drag.

[fivel]

Does anyone have a MX518 and use the sensitivity settings while in BF2...

[SlappY]

Try this.
Get a brick. Put it on your mouse pad, and pretend it is a mouse.
If you are happy with it, then go for the G7, else go with the G5

[Bass]

@Slappy : Hehe ... OK .. I get the message :D

G5 it shall be .. :)

@Darnit - Frontosa (has the G7 for R689+VAT, G5 for R493+VAT) or Corex (R695 & R495 +VAT respectively)

[NerdBoyZa]

OK, this is a biggie...
Got the G15 to look at a web image. Which just so happens to be a tehsig.com BF2 sig. The results are quite cool (although not realtime)



Hey man, what the F.... What do you need a PC for, it looks like it's built into your keyboard :cool:

Other than the programmable keys (can you use them in BF2???) what do you use the screen for?

Sounds like a Laser mouse is definitely the way to go....

Logitec by consensus. G5 most popular, & has all the bells & whistles.

Honey, I've dropped the mouse...... & it looks like it's not working properly.....

Don't panic, I'll go buy another one this afternoon.....:D :D :D

[rainy]

/me never liked Logitech...

[NerdBoyZa]

Reasons???

[fivel]

* rainynight65 never liked Logitech...

He keeps destroying them with von klik :D :rolleyes:

[rainy]

Fivel :p :D

Nerdboy: dunno, I just never warmed up to their stuff. The keyboards I used were horrible, and their mice are not friendly to my hands. I have always preferred Microsoft hardware in terms of mouse and keyboard, still using two Microsoft mice here (although the one starts giving up, and I don't know yet what to replace it with)...

And of course the Logi joysticks I had in the past were just plain shit. Saitek Cyborg ftw!

[SlappY]

Hmm... I seem to have Logitech everything.
Logitech G5 mouse
Logitech G15 Keyboard
Logitech 2.4 Wireless Joystick
Logitech Gaming Headset
Logitech Force Feedback Steering Wheel

[SlappY]

Oh NerdBoy, to answer your question.

The G15 has back lit keys....looks a bit like a prop out of a Tron movie at night. It also has a switch on it that disable the windows keys which is quite nice. Media controls, hot keys, macro recording, USB ports, cable routing (I am sure I have typed all this before) And the LCD screen, which has a few base plugins (CPU, clock, etc). But the real power comes in getting a little third party app (Called LCD something.. will update) it has plenty plugins to report anything from web images, network traffic, hdd space, you name it. And all you do is simply drag and drop onto the canvas. There is a whole forum thing going as well so guys are constantly writing new screens, etc.

I am pretty happy with it. At the mo mine had a 5 second cycle between Clock/Email, CPU Activity/RAM and my battlefield stats. Busy working on my MSN stream at the moment.

[Bass]

Hmm - also enjoy Logitech - mind you, the only peripherals I've used from them so far has been the Logitech Gaming Headset, which is excellent !

Thanks for the feedback guys .. :)

[w1z4rd]

Logitech used to make chass hardware, now they seem to make the leet stuff

[NerdBoyZa]

Thanks for all the input guys....

One problem I have with my MS Wireless, is that the scroll wheel is smooth, i.e. it doesn't have that "clicky" effect when you use it, with the result that when I'm changing weapons, I'm usually trying to pick the AT, and end up with a knife.... cos it scolled past the rocket launcher, which does not bode well for my health. Am I just being silly, in using the scroll for that? I find that I'm a bit stupid, and in the heat of battle I can't remember the number shortcuts anyway.

[Ruslan74]

you can set the type of scroll speed under windows, dunno if it will affect the ingame speed though... i use keyboard keys but during a firefight the knife seems to pop up everytime when facing a DAO12 equiped enemy... go figure.

[NerdBoyZa]

I know EXACTLY what you mean.

[rainy]

Nerdboy, I mostly use the scroll wheel, but then again, mine got the clickies in - one click, one weapon. That's what I didn't like about the newer MS mice,the smooth wheel. Do you have one of those where the wheel also tilts? I'm really glad they lost that stuff on the new Laser Mouse, which has a normal clickwheel...

As for the shortcuts, it's actually easy. 1 is knife, 2 is pistol, 3 is rifle, 4 is explosives (grenades, grenade launcher, rocket launcher, I think it's also the defib for medic, but not sure), 5 is your specialty (c4, claymores, AT mines, resupply bag, medic bag...)... Correct me if I was wrong with any of this.

[stoke]

Yup .. your'e wrong.
It's q ... aaarg ... q ... aaarg ... q ... aaaaaarrrrrggggg for fusk sakes ... 1 = Knife.
And it's 3 ... aarg ... 3 .... aaarg .... 3 .....aaaaaarrrrrggggg for fusk sakes ... 2 = Pistol and leave your primary weapon on single shot mode.
And it's 3 ... aarg ...4 ... for grenades / grenate launcher and leave your primary weapon on single shot mode.
... I really want to remap my keys ... but it's too much of a learning curve.

[NerdBoyZa]

ROFL. Stoke that pretty much describes it.

Speaking of mapping keys, have any of you battled to remap some keys in BF2? I've had it where I was trying to map my crouch to 'left shift', as my PC has a Multiview box on it (multiple PCs - one K/b & mouse, in case anyone didn't know) and the 'left CTL' activates the menu. Nothing like pressing CTL to crouch, activating the Multiview menu, and watching yourself getting mowed down by some oke who thinks it's christmas, whilst you frantically try get rid of the menu by pressing 'ESC', except that you press 'ESC' one too many times and you end up on the BF2 Menu. To cut a long story short, by the time you're back, you're way DEAD.

Anyway, back to the key mapping thing.... It kept telling me keys were mapped elsewhere like under 'Sea Craft' or some such. When you go to that craft, there is no such key mapped....

Very frustrating, to the point that I've left the keys on their default settings.

[TG]

Yup .. your'e wrong.
It's q ... aaarg ... q ... aaarg ... q ... aaaaaarrrrrggggg for fusk sakes ... 1 = Knife.
And it's 3 ... aarg ... 3 .... aaarg .... 3 .....aaaaaarrrrrggggg for fusk sakes ... 2 = Pistol and leave your primary weapon on single shot mode.
And it's 3 ... aarg ...4 ... for grenades / grenate launcher and leave your primary weapon on single shot mode.
... I really want to remap my keys ... but it's too much of a learning curve.

Ahhh fuck... and my colleagues wonder wtf I'm reading when they hear me burst out laughing in the silent office.

:D

[Bass]

Hehe .. have had many a worried glance cast my way :D

[Bass]

Ahhh - can't wait - have ordered a G5 .. should get it sometime next week ... :)

[Darnit696]

/me wonders if the mouse wheel change could be mastered..hmmm
Sometimes I wonder about the stuff some guys can do. I wonder if its possible that some peeps are writing programs that allow multiple actions from one keystroke. i.e That guy that comes around the corner jumps up, lies down, rolls around, whips out his knife and stabs you to death in the foot. All the while you are just busy trying to just press the fusking 3 button or find 'R' to reload...
.... then of course I've heard about the Zboard that has mapable keys.... :rolleyes:

[rainy]

Those gaming keyboards border on cheating... Or at least a slightly unfair advantage against those who don't have the money to spend on spiffy hardware. But then again, I guess the same goes for any mouse with more than 3 buttons and 200dpi :D

[Bass]

Hmmm - I was also wondering about that - the ZBoard doesn't have a macro function like it sounds like the Logitech one does. It would certainly make it much "easier" if one could map a key will set off a sequence - something like run, jump, roll left, jump, roll right etc... until another key was pressed. All one would have to do then is aim and shoot while the sequence runs ...

Not sure of how fair that makes it though ... ?

[SlappY]

Umm... you can. The G15 even has game profiles that you can then build macros off. Or you can record them on the fly. There is also an option to keep the time delays between the keys, or just execute them one after the next. But the macro functions are aimed more at the RPG genre.

[NerdBoyZa]

MMMmmm.

That would explain a lot.....

Me thinks I need a G15 keyboard + a G5 moose....

It might improve my FRAG rate.....

Where's that Credit Card...... Honey, I need to go out for an hour......

:D :D :D :D

[Darnit696]

Well I remapped my '3' button function to the one side button of my mouse and the '1' button to the button directly behind it. Sooo just by shifting the thumb I can switch main weapon to knife and back. Played earlier today for a short while and its taking getting used to but it works. No more fumbling the fusking 3 button. Doesnt matter whats up just press that side button and there's the gun. I also tried the quick shift to knife and I already got 1 surprised face on ma trophy wall. :D Came round the corner there's one of the MerC boys with his DAO. As a medic I usually lose these encounters. BUT today.... quick hop into the air. Press the back button, out with the knife, 'shlick'...press front button back on the gun. One by surprised AT boy lying on the ground... me standing there like I never held a knife in ma hands in ma entire life... picture of innocence I tell you... I wish I could a seen his face... :D

[stoke]

:) ... niceone darnit ... /me goes off to get a mouse wif more buttons ... sometime ...

[Bass]

Ahhh - you can ?? Why didn't someone tell me this long ago ??? :D

Will need to investigate :D

[StaticS]

Does anyone know whats a good mouse+keyboard steup i can get for about R700?Because i bought my mouse+keyboard about 4 years ago and its getting real crappy!Cant sniper properly with this dam mouse,its too rough.So any news is good news on which products to go for.Thx:)

[SlappY]

Save you pennies a little longer. I picked up my G15 KB and G5 Mouse for R1100. So you are almost there. It is well worth the wait. Then you can also show your friends and be the cool one in the crowd.

[Darnit696]

Yep go Logitech. Save your pennies and go Logitech. G5 or mx518 nouse and G15 keyboard.

[rainy]

MS Laser Mouse 6000 ftw ;)

[stoke]

A G5 lazer mouse does not work on a BLACK cermaic moby mousepad
Any optical mouse works fine though ... wierd.

[Alluvium]

WTF my g5 work on anything ive put it on :p

[stoke]

@alluv ... well ... it won't work on a black glass/ceramic thing.

[Alluvium]

yeah glass things that could be reflective, like mirror, ebcause a miorror is "smooth" to laser vision, so yeah the beam cant be read right , warghl

[Bass]

It actually doesn't work on any Moby mousepad .... I thought mine was US when I bought it & tried it out ... :eek:

[stoke]

Well ... geee ... thanks for the tip bass ... you could have saved me a hundred bucks.
:mad:

[SaintMg]

did you go buy the white one yet stoke

[stoke]

/me no buy white one ... nope ... baad idea that was to begin with.
/me is going to get a mousepad from http://www.xtremegaming.co.za/ ...
Hepparently Compuflex in Terraces rd edenvale stock them ....

[StaticS]

Which mouse is better the Logitech MX 1000 or the Logitech G5?

[FeralBanana]

Dunno... If you're worried a bit about price (I believe its cheaper, correct me if i'm wrong), then the mx518 (my mouse) is great...

Between R450-R800(!) I've heard...

Mine was aboot 600 I tink..

[TG]

Which mouse is better the Logitech MX 1000 or the Logitech G5?

G7 FTW! :D

[BambisRevenge]

Dunno... If you're worried a bit about price (I believe its cheaper, correct me if i'm wrong), then the mx518 (my mouse) is great...

Between R450-R800(!) I've heard...

Mine was aboot 600 I tink..

geeez josh if u got ur mouse for R600 then u got ripped off beeeeeg time

coz i got my copperhead for 600 and the copperhead costs way more than a mx518(its lazer and 2000dpi, and equivilant to the g5(i also got it a while before you so thats weird taht u payed that much and it should be cheaper by now tho))

[Albereth]

I have the mx518 and the G5. Both are wired which I think is the better bet for gaming. If you LAN then you may pick up conflict. Also, wireless bits do not like metal tables.

The mx518 has more buttons and I think feels nicer. Smooth wheel. The G5 has a better resolution (2000 dpi vs 1600 dpi) - and probably only makes a difference for extreme range sniping.

G5 has gimicky weights

Both use same software if you want to programme mouse.

[Megnut3025]

Wow... so interesting...al this mx518 & G5 & G7 stuff.... almost sounds like we r talking about cars here :)
I have a Logitech Mx Laser mouse (still quite new!) ...and I used to have a leather mouse pad...that was until Daniel ate it..Literally.... so now it has to move around on the wooden desk top...and it seems happy enough!! And I have no idea what my KB is... here are a couple of clues ... he who guesses right can win 500 Zim dollahs!! :D ... Ok... its a creamy colour...which I guess could have been white once?? ...it is grey aroung the edges...with a rest at the bottom for your hands...also in grey... I like that part of it... and the keys are nice & soft to work on... so there you go ..the lines are open... oh and the only type of lettering it has on it is ... BTC if that helps at all!! GOOD LUCK!! :rofl:
Oh and just for interest sake...my fav piece of hardware...which I proudly bought for myself... was my Logitech USB...plug & play headset... it is so nice 'n easy for me to just plug it in & out during the day...for when I'm listening to mp3's on the pc over the speakers & then at night for the gaming... I LOVE convenience & simplicity!! :)

Ok...thats all for now!

[FeralBanana]

:)

Now that I look at it like that, we could be talking about cars, s'true..

:D

I can't help you with the keyboard, solly... it sounds a bit like a basic keyboard (Makro No Name Brand) or something... :p

[TG]

Err nope. It's a BTC keyboard. Very common stuff. ;)

I got me a Hewlett Packard black keyboard that I err.. borrowed from work.
Just one of those plain no frills jobbies. That's what irritates me about keyboards these days. If you want to go buy one in the shops, you can only find ones with thousands of buttons for launching goodness knows what.

I type on my keyboard damnit.

[FeralBanana]

Hehe... and lemme guess, you also use the Nokia 11 to make phone calls and even do that new-fangled 'text message' thing...

:p

[TG]

Now lissen here young whipper snapper! Back in my day, we had to use tin cans and a string for communication! None of this wireless crud!

:D

[Alluvium]

Which mouse is better the Logitech MX 1000 or the Logitech G5?


G5/G7 :p

my bro has aan mx518 and i got a g5, i do preferr the wights, i actually use them, as for different games i hold the mouse differently , and if you take the time to fine tune it, it is awesome :)

Edit: as far as weapon changes go i sue the button on the side of the g5 as a "special weapon button" set it to medic bag, claymore ect, and the if i need paddles, its one click of the wheel down,

that side button is awesome for special weapons :p Esp medic, nice quick way to get to paddels

[TG]

Funny tho, I added a profile for 'bf2.exe' but it doesn't work. Grrr.

[Megnut3025]

Err nope. It's a BTC keyboard. Very common stuff. ;)

Oh thats just peachy TG .... Punky bought that kb for me for our wedding aniiversary and it was supposed to some expensive fancy pancy kb???? :eek:

Just wait till he gets home tonight.... :p

[BambisRevenge]

my copperhead has changable profiles that are stored on the mosuese onbaord memory and u change it with a nifty button on the bottom and the mouses lights flash to the corresponing number!