Bf2 Hacks ... For Real

[stoke]

MSXSecurity is proud to announce the first -ever- Battlefield 2 Aimbot. This is not a color aimbot, but a TRUE vector aimbot. This is the same deadly aimbot that most counter-strike hacks use. With vector aiming, you are able to specify where you want to shoot (head / stomance) and also have features such as FOV and distance settings, smooth aiming so people dont know your hacking, auto aim, auto shoot and more. This is the first and only BF2 Aimbot to hit the market. Still included with the BF2 Hack is our famous Commander Hack, which lets you get commander whenever you want, instantly. With commander hack you can drop 20 artillery strikes in 1 minute, with no waiting time. Have infinte supply crates too! Check out these movies of the commander hack in action!

Source : http://www.msxsecurity.com/
Found with : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=aimbot+battlefield+2

This is the kind of thing that kills a game dead. It makes me sick.

I am posting this here cos it should be public knowledge and it's time to stir the pot. EA MUST stop this, and we must pressure them to do it.

[TG]

Yeah I know, I was looking at that... busy -trying- to view some of the videos.
Heh, one of the commenters on putfile says "Don't buy these hacks, my CD key got banned when punkbuster detected it!"
I was going to comment "Serves you right, cheater!" but I couldn't be arsed to create a putfile account. :p

[rainy]

What, you actually have to buy that crap?

Unbelievable. I mean, I would be the last person to say that I never cheated in a game. The difference is, those were singleplayer games, and I used cheats to get past levels/places that were too difficult or I didn't feel like trying ten times. What I do to myself is pretty much my business. However, if you feel the urge to cheat in an online game just so you can feel better about yourself, then there is something seriously wrong with you. A CD key ban is too good for those people.

[TG]

Agreed.

[stoke]

Thing is ... you get artied ... BOOM BOOM BOOM ... you spawn and are artied again like 10 seconds later ... BOOM BOOM BOOM ... okay ... then like 5 seconds later there's the arty again.

What I want is a means of getting EVIDENCE that this is happening, cos it has happened to me about 4 times already and it stopped after I asked ... where are you getting all the arty from ?

Thing is ... that commander should have been banned. If I had a means of recording it that EA would accept, then i'd get the bugger banned.

Part 2 : how do you spot an AIMBOT ? No way hoze .. that one is impossible ! EA must come up with a solution.

[fivel]

If this continues..BF2 will become like CS:S.....aaaaaarg

[Bass]

Was also just finding this when I saw Stoke's post ...

Pretty sick, I must say, and sad that people do this kind of thing.

One suggestion: just have clan games like the last two night, which were a real hoot ! :D

The ONLY other way I can think, is to get BattleRecorder working on the servers - if you think you have come across a cheater, then just download the recorded file and play back !!! One will VERY quickly pick up if a guy is using a hack or not.

[rainy]

It reminds me of a story that I had a few years ago in UT2003. I think it was on the map Phobos 2, where you have the low-grav platform on top. I got up there and was immediately shot like 3 times in a row (instagib game). Thought this was impossible, I couldn't even make out the shooter, but he was happily fragging away. So I went on the tower, and then I saw that the oke was sitting behind a wall! I must have hit him like 3 times directly (instagib!) and he did not die. I thought no fucking way, and said in the ingame chat that this guy was cheating. 5 minutes later he was gone.

Point being, these people don't care if someone knows they are cheating. That's why they blatantly do so. As long as the punishment is the virtual equivalent of a slap on the wrist, the shit will go on.

[TG]

Interesting. I just watched the 'blah.wmv' video. It's such bad res that it's very difficult to make out what's going on. The only obvious thing is the visibility of the player tags... and the fact that it's recorded in single player. Heh.
I didn't see the guy getting major kills or anything like that.

[sss]

i dont see how they can really detect these kind of things anyway!
punkbuster will be fighting a losing battle!

[gus]

i dont see how they can really detect these kind of things anyway!
punkbuster will be fighting a losing battle!

There is stuff for this in computer science theory, around trusted base computing. However, EA seems more interested in pumping out the BF series as quickly as possible, not even fixing normal bugs, never mind implementing solid security.

[sss]

well... as far as i can see and have messed with... you could just use a 3rd party application that sniffs the memory/network traffic etc etc... and displays the meaningfull information on a 2nd monitor... sniffing is hard to detect...

the data is there... this hack can get the data... knows where all the enemys are... it just displays it ingame which is probably where it is vulnerable!

[gus]

Sniffing can be defeated with security. One problem is that the hackers have access to the server software as well. Technologies like Kerberos can still help, since the signon to EA is still fully controlled by EA for ranked servers. Kerberos for example just needs one fully secure point to defeat sniffing.

Limiting what the client application knows is a lot harder, which means harvesting info from memory or messing with textures etc is a lot harder to detect. And running everything in a secure container without affecting performance is tricky. And I doubt if Windows provide any facilities for putting things like DirectX in a trusted base. (I cannot remember that I have ever seen Windows mentioned in trusted base research. :D Might have, since I do not follow that area closely.)

[stoke]

Modifying the client application is supposed to be impossible with punkbuster ... hence all that hashcode generation [verifying client data]. I must have spend a good 6 hours of my life "verifying client data" and it had better have been worth it !

Bah.
Screw all this.
EA can insist on everybody running a program that only allows an approved list of processes to run while playing. But .. hang on ... that's bunkbuster.

[Bass]

again ... if we had battlerecorder files it wouldn't be too hard to prove that a guy is cheating ...

[Drusky]

Death of the party - Blur

[stoke]

I think bass is on the money.
- SGS records every game and keeps the recording for 24 hours.
- SGS must set the servers to display round-time to help us locate the right place.
- SGS must allow downloading of the gameplay file.

Now who is going to sort through the requests to have somebody banned ?
- We post them [links to short movies] on the SGS forum and when enough peeps see the evidence and agree then action can be taken.

Now ... how do we stop preople from making fake movies ?
- erk. Dunno.

[Bass]

The recording isn't a movie, its a ....
/me goes off to check ....

a binary file.

plus everyone would have access to the replay file. These would have to be stored on the SGS servers for some time if possible.

A cheating accusation would go through the normal channels & carry the normal penalties, so Admins would have to sort through them. Personally I think it would only take a few guys being bust to stop the cheating/aimbot thing.

So if I had the replay file & I thought someone was cheating (has happened a lot lately) I would just wait for round end, download file, replay until I was sure I had a case, and then tell the admins to look in that file at Player X, at time Y, Z etc....

It really shouldn't be too difficult to prove ... :)

[gus]

I have also been wondering: What does one of these battle recorder things look like?

[TG]

The recording is a bf2demo. You can make movies FROM it tho - and the source material can be checked to verify anyway, specially if they keep the files.


I have also been wondering: What does one of these battle recorder things look like?

Check here and here. Old stuff! :eek:

[stoke]

... erm ... how large is a 30 minute recording ?

[TG]

Err dunno. It depends on a) Recorder quality setting and b) how many players.

I think the quality settings determines how many game ticks are saved, since on low quality, when you watch a missile playback, it "skips"... Like this:

-....-....-....-....-....*

Better quality you get:

-..-..-..-..-..-..-..-..*

Does that make sense?

So anyway, the more it has to save, the bigger it gets.
You're prolly looking at a couple of megs - bout 4-5 (maybe 6-7).

Also, these files do not compress in the slightest - I think they're already compressed when they're written.

[TG]

This video is interesting.. it also makes some things I've experienced a bit clearer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3649141188840786715

[sss]

battlerecorders are pretty small.. 6 megs for half an hourish???

so thats not much space at all!

[stoke]

That movie is an eyeopener hey ... it's soooo easy. BAH.

[Bass]

@TG .. yup .. that's also what I've been experiencing .. as well as some kind of damage hacks ... :(

[Agent Green]

I like the SGS 24 hour recycle recording idea! That could really work.
How would we motivate for the SGS people to do this?
Also, how do we levergae other clans, we almost need our clan leader to network with other clan leaders to establish a mass movement...
viva the peeps!

[WAJKILLER2]

Unbelievable, the wonderful world of 3d modeling, I once had the opportunity to work on a 3d game, I did beta testing and some code refinements on the physics and 3d molding engine. It only takes a bit of time to siff through the machine code to figure out how the engine fits together. Man i hope the assholes that use it gets banned.

Last night on sharqi, late or shall I say this morning, sosman played with. I got shot by a tank through a wall at city entrance. From the position of the tank and where I was there is no way that he could have shot me, but he did. Through the wall!!!!!. I got so angry that i actually quit the game and went to bed. I am really so sick of the smacktards on the servers, fortunately there are this weird clan called wargeeks, they make the game fun and worth taking the hit. Thanks for always being honorable players...

[SaintMg]

@ TG that google video is coool the best part is the end all the cheating aint gonna stop the arty Bwwwhaaaa

I nearly wet myself

[Raymond]

Hi
PB will catch you they have some people working for them that use the latest cheats you they can write counter measures for them some times it takes a while but they get them CHEATERS

[stoke]

/melikes gamemaker2's optimism !

[NerdBoyZa]

Hi
PB will catch you they have some people working for them that use the latest cheats you they can write counter measures for them some times it takes a while but they get them CHEATERS

Be that as it may GameMaker, on Karkand tonight, there were a couple of times when we came upon one of their tanks, on it's own, so no engineers in vehicle next to it, and how many times did the 2 of us have to hit it before it died??? I have on many occassions, with the PKM, emptied half the magazine at someone, yes, in short burst, reletively short range, and they don't die, they throw themselves at the floor, and kill me with one bullet.....comeon......

Tonight @ Karkand again, I saw one of our tanks, shoot, almost point blank at a guy running, and he didn't die.... HUH!!!!! If I am anywhere near where a tank shell hits, I'm history..... HUH!!!!!

I'm leaning more and more, towards only playing in WrG games, like Tue & Wed night. Like it's been said before (BAss I think), that was Uber fun..... Stuff the EA ranking, and the Public Servers.

[Albereth]

Hax you'd like to see.

You write an armour hax that makes the player almost invincible but makes his damage that he deals really weak. He'll then convince himself that everyone now has the same hax as him.

Likewise, an aimbot that drills the opponent but also kills the shooter giving credit to whoever he shot.

Paranoia will set in.

And my favourite - if your clan tags = FiB or asault, then your name changes to FiB I'm a knob etc. in large letters

[rainy]

Good ideas there Albereth. Why don't you go ahead and start coding? ;)

[Albereth]

More the Nerdboy field than mine. But there are some really talented members of WrG from what I have picked up. WAJ perhaps?

[stoke]

From BF2 [P.S. You'll all get this email]

Hey everyone, I am writing to inform you all of some very ... Disturbing news. It seems like everyones \"favorite\" hack website ( http://www.msxsecurity.com ) Has released a BF2 aimbot and the commander hack is back also. There is a way however to spot enemys using the aimbot. If you see a player get 3 or 4 kills in a row with a rifle/pistol, try and watch them very closely. If they are looking through walls and ammasing massive kills its most likely they are hacking. Remember, the only \"perfect\" anti cheat is having a admin present at all times. We all were ignorant for thinking that client hooks and aimbots would not touch BF2, when it has become as popular as it has. This was something that was destined to happen, so Please prepare yourself.


There are movies of this aimbot out, so watch them and get familiar with them, so you know what to look for. Here are some links to the movies.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3077715404568905503 http://media.putfile.com/MSX-Video2222 http://media.putfile.com/MSX-Aimbot http://media.putfile.com/MSXVideo23_0002 http://media.putfile.com/pwnage5580
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3649141188840786715 http://files.filefront.com/MSXPJwmv/;4906308;;/fileinfo.html http://media.putfile.com/MSX-Security---Badkarma---Video-2 http://rapidshare.de/files/16198731/b4dk4rmas_BF2_Video.MSXBeta.wmv.html

YAY ... i'm sure their release of the next Battlefield series will say something about "Aimbot Free" .. they probably paid msxsecurity to build this to kill BF2 and force us to buy the next aimbot free one.

/me senses another antivirus style industry in the making...

[TG]

http://www.ecdownloads.com/downloads.php?do=cat&id=5

Decidedly not cool. It just goes to show that some of these hacks are freely available, and supposedly undetectable.
I, for one, sure hope as hell that they are detectable by now.

[NerdBoyZa]

I feel sick.....:hurk: & :hurl:

Why, OOOHHHH why do people have to do this. It is so much more unpleasant for everyone else.

:banghead:

Should we just start playing on our own again, back to the Local LAN game scenario. I'm on the verge of doing that, or only playing WrG evenings.

I seem to have fun online, until a couple of unsavoury characters pitch up, and spoil everything.

:grr:

[NerdBoyZa]

http://www.ecdownloads.com/downloads.php?do=cat&id=5

Decidedly not cool. It just goes to show that some of these hacks are freely available, and supposedly undetectable.
I, for one, sure hope as hell that they are detectable by now.

Here's an extract off one of the links on TGs post:


-Punkbuster Information-----------------------------
This hack is undetected because punkbuster haven't been scanning changes to the RendDx9.dll.
Technically you can exit the program after you activate the hack so I think the only
way to fully detect the changes this hack makes would be to scan RendDx9.dll itself
for modifications. This is the only reason this hack is undetected,
there is nothing evasive in this hack and should not be a cd-key/hardware ban threat.
So download it now and get on punkbuster while you can.
-------------------------------------------------------

Hip Hip horray. We can now all hack, as it gets by a Ban on a technicality. That's BULLSHIT. You get caught cheating, you pay the price... THE END!

I wish there was some way, to ban that person for life from EVER playing any online game.

[FeralBanana]

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS VERY, VERY OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.
READ AT YOU OWN RISK AND MORTAL PERIL.


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FiB and Asault

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[FeralBanana]

On a more serious note, I believe the following:

What is a game?
It is a form of entertainment. The entire point of a game is to have fun.
Therefore, If you are not having fun, it is pointless.
Therefore, when someone hax, they are not making the game fun.
Therefore, when they do, people don't play the game because it's not fun.
Therefore, the [-]Fib[/-] hackers play alone on the servers
Therefore, the game goes to hell in a small paper sack because nobody plays except hackers.
Then, the hackers complain nobody plays it, company does jack poopie about it etc.
Therefore, Hackers=Retarded because they cause their own doom.

Summary: Hackers are Eye-Dee-Ten-Tees (1d10ts)



Hey... aren't I meant to be doing my english essay? What a luss... :p

[sss]

shouldnt that be one-dee-ten-tees?

[FeralBanana]

No, because there's only one tee... :p

[Darnit696]

This whole hack thing is despicable. What the hell is the point anyway?
You ruin the game totally. Newbies coming in will get fragged to nothing and will leave. The existing peeps who are playing honest will leave and the hackers will be left playing with themselves. So the term W***er is applicable. Why is there always a group of individuals that are too weak to play a fair game and by cheating think that they are in some way being uber leet players? Its delusional on so many levels really.... :(

[TG]

Couldn't agree with you more.

[Bass]

Yup ... it will be interesting to do a bit of stats analysis on a few players .. like they say, the numbers don't lie !

[FeralBanana]

Unless the numbers (or the people counting them) are a little cooked :p

[Bass]

Aha .. but then you will see that ! :D

[Bass]

Unfortunately the attitude of the SGS admins seems to be "lets all bury our heads in the sand, & pretend it isn't there, as there is nothing we can do about this !"

See this thread http://games.saix.net/cgi-bin/sgsbb/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=240;t=39319

[rainy]

There's the problem, right there in that thread. All these leet players think that the ones accusing someone of cheating only do so because he is better than them. But thats bullshit. It's not about who's bette ror not in a fair&square fight. It's about those freak occurences, which I sometimes have difficulties crediting them to the sloppy BF2 physics. Thinks like guys taking a single shot with a spec-ops gun and killing me full-health, from a distance where I struggle to get a clear shot with the sniper rifle. Guys killing me 5 seconds after I killed them, no medic in sight and active kill, that is with a gun, not with a mine or some such.

There is some bad mojo going on, and sometimes I think that exactly those guys who play it down are the ones we should be looking at...

[Albereth]

Unfortunately I take the view that quite a few of the admins are in on the hacking.

[sss]

i take out lots of snipers with my spec ops gun!

[rainy]

i take out lots of snipers with my spec ops gun!

But not with 1 shot, and especially not from ridiculous distances.

[Bass]

Agreed Rainy - the attitude of the admins is a bit bothersome because there are things going on (not all the time, which makes it difficult) that are hard to explain away by saying that the game's physics are to blame.

My favourite is when I am RIGHT NEXT TO a guy and get 3-5 shots with my trusty DAO into him, just as he calmly lies down and kills me with 1-2 shots to the head ...

Have tried that with Stoke at varying distances, and generally the DAO only needs 3 shots at shortish range to always take a guy down.


Question: Is it not possible for a headshot from a SpecOp gun to kill one ??? I don't often play Spec Ops, so have no idea ...

[rainy]

A headshot always kills in one, with whatever weapon. It is just difficult to nail a headshot from distances. Sometimes however I get nailed in one shot from ridiculous distances, and the guy doesn't even seem to aim.

[Bass]

That I can attribute to fluke ... I have had a few flukes in the lines of : getting shot, spin round & nail enemy with one shot because I tend to get a fright when such things happen .... mind you I also tend to get quite a few TK's when friendlies run into me unexpectedly :D

.. as happened last night in SF: hiding just in a doorway waiting for arty to clear when teamy runs past the door ... BLAM .. ooops ... sorry .. :)

[NerdBoyZa]

Unfortunately the attitude of the SGS admins seems to be "lets all bury our heads in the sand, & pretend it isn't there, as there is nothing we can do about this !"

See this thread http://games.saix.net/cgi-bin/sgsbb/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=240;t=39319


Mmm. Just read through that whole thing.

Like you guys have mentioned... The sad thing is that the guys most vehemently denying that Hax are being used, are the ones that I would say are (the most likely to be) doing it .... Makes you wonder.

DUH! Hang on... Of course they would deny it ... STUPID me.

For that reason, Darnit, Rainy, I think we will see HELL FREEZE OVER, before something is actively done on the SGS side to stop this, i.e. kiss the Battlerecorder idea GOODBYE.

I notice that a response to your question of whether Fraps would be acceptable to SGS, has met radio silence..... ssssshhhhh, crackle, splutter.....

Arg. Me on my soap box again....

[rainy]

Ah. I see. The experts on the SGS forum explained to me that if someone kills me 5 seconds after I killed him, it's the lag.

[Darnit696]

Maybe the fraps question needs a new thread to get attention. :)
/me goes to stoke the fire a little more. :p

[N3ddy]

:o Killed Drusky last night at Karkand - at a distance - with what must have been a head-shot. I was, in typcial clueless fashion, trying something else and fired by mistake... Ssssshhhh!! Don't tell him, tho...:slide:

[Darnit696]

Keep an eye on this http://games.saix.net/cgi-bin/sgsbb/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=240;t=39497;r=1 lets see what the response is.

[NerdBoyZa]

GO, DARNIT, GO.

We're standing right behind you...... :D

[N3ddy]

That way if there's a mass retreat, we'll lead it...;)

[stoke]

The response will be an unequivical blunder of nothingness.

[WAJKILLER2]

I saw one of the fib's cheat blatantly this morning. On sharqi at city entrance. Playing US.

Me on tow as usual. After the fib tried to get in with his tank three times in a row having me mow him down with the tow. A tank joined in the fun. Parked next to me and the commander dropped a supply crate right next to us. Nice having the tank there scrapes the stray troops coming from mec away. So fib comes with his big ass t-90 russian piece of shit tank again. He takes a pot shot at the tank. BOOOM i blast his ass away.

So he think he's going to be clever. He goes and gets fat ass chopper. Idiot comes face to face and tried to take the tank on video. Remembers me on tow so takes a few shots at me. I reply with a tow and misses. In his attempt to dodge the tow he dropped altitude right into the ally. BOOOM tank blows the fat ass chopper to rubble. So a minute or so passes. NOOOO troops ,tanks or choppers. I hear the fat ass chopper behind us but our chopper intercepts him and blows him away. The pieces fell around me. HAHA i had a good laugh. The next thing i know a rocket comes from the mec spawning point, it just appeared from nowere. Blows the tank away. And what do you know the next thing fib comes around the corner in tank to blow my ass away. NO chopper in sight althoug the kill said FIB[asshole][MI-28]killed [whoever]. So i ask commader where is enemy chopper. NAAH said commander just got blown to bits over ocean. Been in combat with our chopper for a few minutes.......

Now that has to be a cheat forsure.


Needless to say i still enjoyed blowing fib to smithereens for a while, ha hah haaaaaa.

[stoke]

sigh. I've also seen the mystery missiles before.

[rainy]

If you ask them, they will tell you it's due to the lag. The chopper was right there, but you didn't see it :p

Fuskers

[m137o]

name them please so I can show them my blade.
I know of a player that was kicked from the Asault clan because they found out he was a cheater in CS:S.Now he made his own clan and runs around accusing other players in my clan of cheating.But he had his stats reset for Bf2 and now has sour grapes in his mouth.

[Bass]

Oh, ... RIGHT ... that lag !! ;)

[WAJKILLER2]

when you see him it will remind you that he is not wearing deo

[stoke]

oh .. it's FIB stinky :rofl:

[gus]

i take out lots of snipers with my spec ops gun!

I agree. The Spec Ops SCAR-L works very well against snipers. For a sniper, usually the only bit that sticks out above the roof is the head, so either the SCAR-L headshot kills him, or one is dead from the sniper shot. There is usually no second chance.

[SaintMg]

well last night after the clannie i was killing peeps like crazy at long distances wif the medic gun i have no idea if they were already injured or if i'm getting better at hitting the head

[BambisRevenge]

infact the g36c(spec ops) used to be more accurate than the m95

and when people proned i laughed coz its then a 100 times easier to just go pop pop pop and 3 headshots!

[TG]

Heh, I had a bit of fun with Pred@or or some crap .. 'Pred' thingy with an @ in it somewhere.

I was a sniper on Karkand, and he caught me with my pants down so to speak - I was heading up the left side from the USMC spawn point, and he, as assault or some other equally dangerous class spotted me. So he ran at me firing... I went prone into the grass, and silly fool that he was, he did the same, which fortunately for me put his head right in line with my sights. One headshot later, I ran off into the sunset... :D

[m137o]

running off into the susets with he4adshots in your pocket is the way to go!

[FeralBanana]

Hehe... not as much fun as triplane turmoil (google it :p)

It has to be THE most fun I have EVER had with my pants on. Even more than battlefield. I promise :shock:.

And now, for the theme tune. Ahum.

/me sings:
"Catch a falling bomb, and put it in your cockpit...." etc.