Cellphone Popcorn?

[Drusky]

http://www.koreus.com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html

[sss]

that doesn't happen

[stoke]

Glass table please. Pffft.

Interesting how the camerawork is 100% the same throughout.

[SlappY]

Lol... ok here goes. We had a big dicussion about this at work.
This was a fake vid that was used in an advertising campaign for blue tooth headsets.

Why it doesnt work.
Waves have been accused of being dangerous because of 2 reasons.

#1: Heat generation
#2: Radiation side effects.

#1: The only way a wave can induce heat is via dipole ossilation. This is where the molecules are made to vibrate causing friction and therefore heat, this is how a microwave works. Problem is waves dont do this out the box. A microwave uses something called a magnetron to very quickly switch the polarity of the wave, this inturn messes with the molecules causing them to jump up and down. Without a magnetron or the likes, no heat will be induced. Also, it works best in fluids and is less effective on solids.

#2:
The big one. RADIATION!!! AARGHH. One on the most mis understood phenominom around. Everything emits radiation, hell without it you wont be able to see anything. But there are 2 types of radiation, ionizing and non ionizing. Ionizing radiation is the type that will kick your ass, it is strong enough to alter the structure of molecules by stripping off an electron. Thing is if you look at the radio spectrum, ionizing radiation only occurs waaay up on the list. These are your x-rays and gamma rays. From the bottom of the list it goes (might be slightly out since just typing this off the top of my head)

Long Radio Waves
Radio Waves (AM)
Radio Waves (FM)
Microwaves
Infra Read
Color spectrum
Ultra Violet
XRays
Gamma rays.

Now only X-rays and Gammas emit ionizing radiation.

Note #2 does not allegedly pop corn, #1 can only do that.

And that is the rough slappy explanation... hmm ...actually looks more like an argument for safe microwaved food than cell phones.
Anyways...

[Askari]

Why does my ear burn when I talk too long on the cellphone?

[SlappY]

Put your hand over your ear and press it hard for 15 minutes. That burns too dont it.

[Askari]

Fake vid used to advertise BT?? Since when do ads have scripts like:" Farking hell did you see that? Did you get it? Tell me you got it Pete?"

And my ear doesnt burn when when I use the landline smarty pants.

[Megnut3025]

Hmm... thats very true Askari.. I spoke on my landline phone for 2 and 1/2 hours last night and my ears was fine... definately does make you wonder.

In my own very small opinion, I definately dont think cellphones or microwaves are the best things ever from a health perspective... and yes... I Do own them myself. I'd say just try and not talk on your Cellphone all day non stop. I really do think that could be bad for you.

My motto with almost everything in life is:

Everything in MODERATION!!

Try it... it really works! :)

[Askari]

I use the speakerphone function whenever possible to limit the amount of time my cell is stuck to my ear. What I worry about is the thing sitting in my pocket radiating my swimmers.

[SlappY]

Oh jeesh... this is lost on you isnt it. Even after my very long winded explanation about ionizing and non ionizing hoo haa. :slap:
How do I do the little slap forehead smiley?

And next week Mikey is going witch hunting, and is going to oust the black voodoo magic known to heathens as "electricity"

[Askari]

Ok well thanks for giving me the comfort that cell phones emit nothing that could possibly harm me in any way whatsoever

[SlappY]

Oh I am not sayin that at all. I am sure if you dropped it on your toe at the right angle it could really hurt.

[Megnut3025]

I dont agree with you totally Slappy... not to start a whole huge debate or anything. So dont go giving me a 15 page document on how wrong I am,coz I wont read it :D
I do think that too much usage of a cellphone can be harmful to ones health... and those who are part of the whole "But then why would they allow us to purchase and use them" AD campaign ... erm... lets see... have they stopped selling cigarettes yet?? Nope... so I definately think they are and can be harmful in someway...

Thats all Im saying... bite me for saying it ... I dont mind :p

[Askari]

I propose an experiment:

You strap your cell phone to your head and connect it to the charger. We draw up a roster and we all phone you one after the other so your phone rings continuously. You dont answer it.

After 12 hours we see how good your thought processes are.

[SlappY]

All I say is these days people jump to conclusionas and believe things without being in complete posession of the facts. Now ask yourself what is more effort, verifying something before believing it, or living your life in fear of something that may or may not be true and fuelling paranoia. If you dont believe me about the popcorn test, hop on over to Snopes.com They have verified it is fake.

You see there is an inherint fear in things we cannot see or explain (yes this is straight out of psyc). People need tangibles. If there are none, we clamp onto heuristics from things we have seen on TV, et al and the rumors start. Plus to boot there are people out there who put a lot of effort into making fools out of people with things like this popcorn gag. If you want someone to believe a lie, dont lie, give them a half truth.

Skary doesnt want to hold his cell phone on his nuts cause the radiation will throw clorine in his gene pool. But I have not yet met anyone who can explain to me what radiation is or how it works, yet it gets blamed for a lot these days. Most people are only aware of the dangerous type, and therefore clamp onto the cell phones are bad.

The radiation emitted from radio frequencies is non ionizing and can transfer heat 10mm into skin. Sunlight, fire and lightbulbs emit enough radiation to induce cancers, etc and are far more dangerous than radio emitions. But you not scared of light bulbs or the sun?

Like I say, want someone to believe a lie, tell em a half truth

[Askari]

But comfort factors aside you still wouldnt want one strapped to your head for 12 hours would you?

[Stool]

the simple answer is that there is no stats to say cellphones are the cause of certain medical ailments, it simply just doesnt happen often enough. law of averages says you will be fine.

eg. compare cellphone stats to the stats of cigarette smokers getting cancer and you get a distinct difference in numbers that warrants all the medical investigation that went into smoking.

if anything skari should rather look into quitting smoking?


ps. as far as the heat goes it's my educated guess that when you use the phone then an extra circuit called the radio is turned on that isn't on during standby. radio needs to talk to tower and emits the Electro Magnetic fields to get the job done.
Now any circuit being used gives of heat energy and since a cellphone is so compact that extra heat induced by a call needs to go somewhere. A corded telephone wont let you experience the same heat because all the hardware is not in the handset (only speaker and mic in handset) and it doesn't use a radio to communicate with the switchboard/panel.

[Askari]

So you will be joining the Slaptster in the experiment then?

[SlappY]

But comfort factors aside you still wouldnt want one strapped to your head for 12 hours would you?

Albeit a little unpractical, I wouldnt really have an issue with it. The only side effect I will experience is it will interfere with my devilish good looks.

[Hoss]

...The only side effect I will experience is it will interfere with my devilish good looks.

You see there is another fine example of people jumping to conclusions without being in possesion of the facts

devilishly good looks, haha

[SlappY]

Ok, not quite up to standard, but I had to use "paint".

[Stool]

So you will be joining the Slaptster in the experiment then?

no thanks
this experiment would only benefit you. i'm not interested in the outcome at all

[Noodle]

Only thing that experiment would do is annoy the snot outta me :p

[stoke]

ERM ... @SLAPPY

By observation ONLY:

Radio Waves generate electricity when they collide with metallic substances.
e.g. An aerial.

Now ... we have a certain quantity of substances in our body, that are capable of transmitting electricity. These are part of our nervous system.

So, I can conclude (60%) that radio waves produce "electrical noise" in our nervous system. The effect of the noise is not clear though.

[stoke]

Radio Waves Blast Bacteria in Fruit Juice

Radio waves show new promise as a powerful way to zap bacteria in fruit juice. Using RFEF, or radio frequency electric fields, as a pasteurization technique isn't a new idea. However, ARS scientists at the Eastern Regional Research Center, Wyndmoor, Pa., may be the first to successfully inactivate a bacterium in fruit juice using radio waves and moderate heat.

For their experiments, the scientists introduced--into apple juice--a harmless form of Escherichia coli known as E. coli K12. This microbe mimics the behavior of its pathogenic foodborne cousin, E. coli O157:H7. They reduced the E. coli K12 by 99.9 percent by exposing the juice to radio frequencies and moderate heat of about 122 degrees F. The researchers expect that, with further development, the treatment will meet the required 99.999 percent kill rate that today's heat pasteurization provides.

Processors of fruit juices, vegetable juices, and liquid egg products could benefit from a pasteurization treatment that doesn't change product flavor or nutritional value.

For more information, contact David J. Geveke, (215) 233-6507; USDA-ARS Eastern Regional Research Center, Wyndmoor, PA
Source: http://www.ars.usda.gov/IS/np/fnrb/fnrb0403.htm (Middle of page abouts)
Surely if radio waves and heat can kill bacteria, using a cellphone in Durban in Summer cannot be 100%.
/me adds to 'skari's nightmares .... :sneaky:

[Drusky]

I just cooked my cheese 'n tomato sandwich using my cell phone and a mirror :alien:

[stoke]

Typical ... vain bugger has to stare at himself while experimenting ... :snipe:

[SlappY]

Source: http://www.ars.usda.gov/IS/np/fnrb/fnrb0403.htm (Middle of page abouts)
Surely if radio waves and heat can kill bacteria, using a cellphone in Durban in Summer cannot be 100%.
* stoke;115302 adds to 'skari's nightmares .... :sneaky:

Err yeah, if they design a device for a purpose then sure you can prolly nuke bugs out of milk.
A microwave is designed to use waves to cook food. And it does a pretty good job.

Also you mentioned that when it hit a metalic substance it converts to electricity. As far as I am aware I dont have any metalic alrials in my body.
(not to sure how this affects Mikes prince Albert.)

The radio waves in a cell are less dangerous than sunlight or lightbulbs.

[stoke]

As far as I am aware I dont have any metalic alrials in my body.Erm ... red blood cells?
And ... you're holding a RF transmitting device to your head, where your brain is stored ... with all those neurotransmitters and delicate pathways ... and red blood cells running through it ... seems kinda risky to me.

[Stool]

but again, no STATISTICS

[stoke]

Yup, much like the missing AIDS causes HIV statistics, and the missing moderate speeding causes accidents statistics.
Just because nobody is actually looking for that particular cause because it's damn difficult to diagnose, does not mean that it does not exist.

[SlappY]

Thats is where you are wrong. There are people dedicating their lives to trying to debunk cell phone safety, and so far they cant prove a thing, and they are REALLY trying hard.

Fact is, we have had these things for over a decade now, and there is not one reported case of ailement. If it were a danger, then it would effect everyone the same since we are all physiologically the same. But the number of people with brain cancer, or any cancer, or induced mental retardation vs the number of people with cell phone is statisticly insignificant enough for me to prove there is no danger. Plus the science says it is completely improbable. Plus the fact that other more impeding dangers (like the sun and lighbulbs) are moot points in day to day life, tells me that this is more hype than anything else.

Hell your toaster is more radioactive than a cell phone, yet no one hesitates to pop some bread in and flash it up and guzzle it down. You may as well chew on a uranium core :)

Speaking of which, if any of you have dentures from the 80's and early 90's then consider changing them, cause they used depleted uranium to mimic the efloresense in real teeth under ultraviolet light, except this did cause cancer and death.

[Askari]

not one case eh? I am on my cell so cant c&p but on news24 today there is a guy who developed cancer just in front of his cell ear.

[SlappY]

Erm ... red blood cells?

Just cause they contain iron doesnt make it metallic. You can place your body under a junk yard electro magnet and nothing will happen. Infact you need the equivilent electromagnetic power of 6 junk yard electromagnets to even induce vertigo in a human, and even then it is because of inner ear disturbances rather and anything to do with your blood.

[SlappY]

not one case eh? I am on my cell so cant c&p but on news24 today there is a guy who developed cancer just in front of his cell ear.

Exactly... one guy.
The chances of someone developing cancer on that side of his head vs the number of people who havent by using cellphones classifies it as coincidence.
You would have thought that after this many years there would be hundreds even thousands of these okes running around.

Then you still cant discount other more probable factors:

He uses a dodgy chemical to clean his pillow cases.
He works as a doctor in radiology
He spends all his time in the sun
He smokes 1000 ciggies a day.
He has a history of skin cancer in his family.

EDIT: Lol... just read the article. The dude believes it is cause of his cell phone. His doctor reckons it isnt, and his dematologist says it isnt. Looks to me like someone is trying to get a payout.

Untils they empirically prove it I dont believe it.

[Noodle]

I say it's an evil plot by the Nazi Aliens to cause infighting amongst the human race, which will make the perfect distraction while they can execute their evil plot to put the humble cockroach back in power as it once was.

This plan has been in production for hundreds of years, but due to lack of power (load shedding) it has been stalled. But now! They are soo close. I have already bought my ticket on the next mother ship outta here. So sorry for you suckers! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :hyper:

[SlappY]

GOODWINS! YOU LOOSE

[stoke]

Bah, that's just silly, everybody "in the know" knows that the roaches have been selling fake tickets for years to fund their plans ...

The only way is to use their weapons against them .. put 20 cell phones in your kitchen ...

[Askari]

Slappy you fartbag. I hear what you are saying and I agree. But with age comes wisdom and with wisdom comes the ability to know when something isnt clever even without reams of scientific data to corroborate your suspicions.

Am I going to banish my cell to hell like my alter ego in your crappy paint attempt? No,but I am going to try keep it away from my head as much as I can. I wouldnt let a kid use one at all until they are at least 10 either. Why? common sense tells me it isnt the healthiest thing you can do.

So you can all put down your professor masks now.Nuff said.

[Drusky]

You'll be fine s'long as you don't answer three phones at the same time. If you do that your Noodle is cooked.

Seeing as how 10 year olds struggle to walk and breathe at the same time I don't think you will have problems with them answering three phones at once either.

The problem comes in where you allow three ten year olds (who also have cell phones) to spend time together. They are guaranteed to nuke something. The only option I can see here is that ten year old chillen should be kept separate from one another in large padded rooms.

[stoke]

It's not a professor mask, it's an authentic 1840 gaylord mask. I'm attempting to be more like Gay5an.

[Noodle]

You'll be fine s'long as you don't answer three phones at the same time. If you do that your Noodle is cooked.

:jawdrop:

[Askari]

Derail FTW! Lets go to a WOW thread or a Punky thread and play there!!!1

[SlappY]

Slappy you fartbag. I hear what you are saying and I agree. But with age comes wisdom and with wisdom comes the ability to know when something isnt clever even without reams of scientific data to corroborate your suspicions.

Am I going to banish my cell to hell like my alter ego in your crappy paint attempt? No,but I am going to try keep it away from my head as much as I can. I wouldnt let a kid use one at all until they are at least 10 either. Why? common sense tells me it isnt the healthiest thing you can do.

So you can all put down your professor masks now.Nuff said.

How did you come to the figure 10?
What about some kid who, on the eve of their 10th birthday had an emergency and need to make a call. Would that be ok?

And I take offense to you dissing my paint attempt. It was the best I could come up with given the resources I had, your ugly mug is not exactly photoshop material.

You will also find that with age also comes senality, incontenance, false teeh, uncontrolable farting and drooling. So I will take my youthful reckless abandon over your wisdom and tape 3 cell phones to my nuts and one on each ear :-P

[Drusky]

I remember that TV program.

Whateef
Always asking questions
Whateef
Maybe you and me
Whateef
Is his name

Irritating little kabouter dude with a sparkley cloak.

[Askari]

So I will take my youthful reckless abandon over your wisdom and tape 3 cell phones to my nuts and one on each ear :-P

Quoted for posterity! So the experiment is advancing. However, I will not be doing the taping of cellphones to your nuts. Im not sure they have nano cellphone technology yet.

[SlappY]

Quoted for posterity! So the experiment is advancing. However, I will not be doing the taping of cellphones to your nuts. Im not sure they have nano cellphone technology yet.

ouch. You cut me deep... you cut me deep.

[TG]

I think this has to be the funniest thread this year.

[Punky3025]

My motto with almost everything in life is:

Everything in MODERATION!!

Try it... it really works! :)

Can I get a night off once or twice a week then....seeing as this is your motto

[Voicy]

but again, no STATISTICS

This is simply because there has not been enough time passing to study long term effects.

Cellphones only became large scale commercially available in 97-99, before that only some households had 1.

I believe we'll start seeing long term (less aggressive) effects in the next 2 years popping up due to prolonged and more condensed exposure to these devices.

My electronics comms lecturer specializing in microwave transmission technology down right refuses to use a cellphone for these exact same reasons ... makes you wonder.

Whichever way you look at it, just remember: The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

[Askari]

What Voicy said :mindblowing:

[SlappY]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.


Try say that when you pissed.

Might I propose a correlary to that: How do you prove something that does not exist?
You could bash on about absense of evidence forever if something does not exist. I propose that oranges turn pink when you dont look at them. Prove me wrong. Common sense says they dont. Science says they dont. Experience says they dont. But you have absense of evidence, so I am right. :P

How come they can PROVE X-Rays cause cancer.
They can PROVE certain chemicals cause cancer.
They can PROVE the sun causes cancer.

Yet they cant prove that a cell phone causes cancer.

[SlappY]

My electronics comms lecturer specializing in microwave transmission technology down right refuses to use a cellphone for these exact same reasons

And you pay this dude money to teach you. I would ask for a refund.


ohohohoh.. and here is a cracker:
A study conducted in Sweden have determined that there is a link between cancer and cell phone use. You see according to them these special waves cell phones use are called radio frequency waves (yes... like your basic radio that has been delivering tunes to your house for decades) or the more technical "RF" waves at high amplification (not like a cell phone... very low amplification) could possiby induce something they refer to as "heat" (you know, like when the sun warms you up) into biological material (Skary's ear). This "heat" can heat things up and effectively "cook" stuff (fortunately we have this thing called a nervous system that alerts us to any surrepticous cooking that might be going on in our body we dont know about). (makes you wander why you blow dry you hair everyday???) So, the researcher "propose" a couple of things you can do to mitigate these effects. One of them being buy a blooteeth hedset.

#1: On what planet does a researcher offer up advice. They research number, not come up with solutions.
#2: I find it strangely ironic that you can escape these "RF" waves, by strapping a blooteeth hedset on... which is... wait for it... RF TECHNOLOGY!!!

What a load of bollocks. And guess who sponsors the research. Well I dont know but I bet they got shares in the blooteef hedset companies. Now you got a gabazillion paranoid tits running out buying blooftoof devices to escape the "RF" devils.

[Hoss]

...virtually all of the above ...

You see; this is the [-]admittedly funnny as hell[/-] cr@p you discuss when you're not into playing WoW :D

[Stool]

i get the feeling you all trying to wind me up :)

gonna leave it up to slappy to defend cellphones
(looks like its a slow day on myadsl and he has no MAC or Linux users to debate with hehe)

[SlappY]

I dont debate with mac linux people... I TELL them... bloody inbreeders.

Jeesh imagine if they invented Linux for the Mac... Holy fag, you wouldnt hear the end of it.

I can just picture the ads:
"LinMax...it just works (*some retard waving his hands in the air*) And its free, and you can make your own"
You order it, will prolly come as a bag of raw silicon and an easy to use instruction manual. The ultimate in flexibility and user friendliness.

"Plus if you order now, we will donate this bag of mealies to help the world hunger crisis, cause we freakin AWESOME!!!"

[Askari]

for once im not winding you up. I just want to experiment on Nano Nuts.

[SlappY]

for once im not winding you up. I just want to experiment on Nano Nuts.

Speak for yourself. You should run with the experiment Skary, you can use all the tumors you can get in that area. I already look like a bit of a freak, had to have my left leg amputated to accomodate it. Now whenever I see a hot chick I start to walk like a pirate.

[Askari]

Hey, you get to be experimented on seeing as though you are insisting cellphones are harmless! Put your money where your mouth is boy.

[Noodle]

Oooh Chick fight!!

:popcorn: <------ See what I did there :p

[SlappY]

Well I guess I won this one. I rule.
But before I sign off, let me leave uncle Mike with some food for thought.

YOU CANT GO BASHING ON ABOUT CELL PHONES CAUSING CANCER WHEN YOU GOT BLOODY CIGGIES HANGING OUT YOUR MOUTH.

I ought to slap you right now.

[Askari]

Its not so much the cancer its frequencies messing with my brain I worry about. So many things flying about its got to be messing with our minds! Tinfoil beenies FTW

[SlappY]

So many things flying about its got to be messing with our minds!

One would first have to assume you have something to mess with.

[TG]

One would first have to assume you have something to mess with.

Ouchie! :D :rofl:

[Askari]

One would first have to assume you have something to mess with.

A beautiful mind I have too.

[Megnut3025]

Can I get a night off once or twice a week then....seeing as this is your motto


No... I ment to say... "almost" everything in moderation... some things are meant to be used & abused [-]hourly[/-] daily :D

:pompom:

[Noodle]

http://www.cellular.co.za/news_2003/020503-do_cell_phones_kill.htm


Recent studies and lawsuits have raised the specter of fears of brain cancer from cell phone usage. The fear may however be exaggerated, as there have been very few studies that equivocally link the two.


Still, people are worried. The reason is that cell phones produce electromagnetic radiation which penetrates the brain a short distance from the phone's antenna. But electromagnetic radiation from cell phones is different from the ionizing radiation from, say, an X-ray or a hunk of uranium, which damages DNA and is clearly linked to cancer.

[SlappY]

Wow... its like an echo :)

[Askari]

thats your empty skull.

[SlappY]

Its not empty... its full of cancer and radiation remember.

[Askari]

Its not empty... its full of cancer and radiation remember.


only because there was a vacuum and something had to be in there.

[Ga5can]

As I can remember, you need about 4kg of "mass" to absorb 1 Watt of radiation. Your cellphone transmit at about 250mWatt. That is 0.25 Watt, thus if your head is smaller than 1Kg you might suffer some long-term effects from over-exposure of cellphone signals.

Please note, that a cellphone does not always transmit at full power and that frequency (800mHz vs. 1800MHz) does have a huge impact.

BUT contrary to this information, I do believe some people have already been affected by their cellphones! By reading this thread you can actually recognise them and they should never - ever - ever - EVER again be associated with the MAN-thread!

[SlappY]

BUT contrary to this information, I do believe some people have already been affected by their cellphones! By reading this thread you can actually recognise them and they should never - ever - ever - EVER again be associated with the MAN-thread!


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