Windows 7 Sins

[TG]

http://windows7sins.org/

Created by the FSF.

[Jono]

hmmmmm, see the left of the site:


We've mailed a letter to 499 of the Fortune 500 companies (we didn't think Microsoft would listen), but that's just the start...

We'd love to send more letters to the Windows 7 decision makers that people have identified within their own organization or community, and with your help we can. If you donate $25 dollars, we'll send 50 more letters, donate $100 we'll send 200 letters and so on.

I'm sorry, but im not going to pay someone to campaign against a company that brings me DirectX and ease of use.


Many users noticed that both versions of Windows NT were very similar. Digging further, an analysis published by O'Reilly and Associates revealed that the kernel, and in fact every binary file included in NT Workstation, was identical to those shipped in NT Server. The sole difference between the two products' cores lay in the operating systems' installation information -- the server version contained several options or flags that marked it as either 'Workstation' or 'Server'. If the machine was flagged as 'Workstation', it would disable certain functionality and limit the number of network connections.

pfft!! So what of it? Then go ahead and blame HP and canon for "crippling" their products seeing that HP have some machine with Networking functionality built into the machines, only difference is a missing port and different firmware. And some models sell for R 1000 more(yes, soldering on a RJ45 port and flashing the firmware to that of the N model of the machine actually works). Same goes for canon...They use the exact same principals on some machines. Mostly found on the more expensive Laser based machines.

Im installing windows 7 tonight... :)

[stokeza]

/me lolls @ Jono
noob

[Jono]

* stokeza lolls @ Jono
noob

yeah yeah rip me off. :p

ps. whats the point of this then Stoke? :/

[stokeza]

You're a typical Microsoft brainwash victim.

Let me give you an example. Lets take DirectX, because you happily mentioned it.

OpenGL is an open standard. DirectX is bastardised OpenGL. Microsoft, after bastardising OpenGL and creating DirectX paid for the development of games using DirectX, even going so far as to open their own games software division just to use their own version of OpenGL called DirectX.

While they did this, they (MS) copyrighted certain logical simple techniques that were used in the further development of DirectX. These techniques are logical. There simply is no other logical way of doing graphics related coding, and these logical techniques now belong to Microsoft.

In essence, they killed any further development of OpenGL by copyrighting techniques that OpenGL would have to use to move forward.

The thing is, every damn thing that Microsoft does has exactly the same pattern.

Now, I am not trying to start an argument here, or even debate on the nature of that Windows 7 sins website, but, I am calling you a noob because I think you are being blinded by Microsoft's non-existent brilliance.

[Jono]

Na Stoke. Im always open for knowledge and opinions. I know about opengl, never knew microsoft did that though, but my point is, I rather use windows than having Linux as my primary OS and having so many distros that i dont know where to start. Nevermind all the effort to get some things to work. (I havent tried linux in years so things obviously have changed). Still waiting for Wiz to give me the latest copy of ubuntu so i can have that as a toy around thing though.

Im definitely not saying that Microsoft is the best there is. But what makes Microsoft so different from all the other large corporations? Like Intel with its anti-competitive behaviour?

Instead of fighting this company to "close down" or be open source, make them donate much larger amounts of those profits. :) I'd much rather see more people fed than having to see some lose jobs because of cut backs. :p

Call me noob, or whatever other names one can come up with. :) I just want a better place, and i dont see microsoft closing down being a good thing. :/

[stokeza]

Noob! :D


MS Operating Revenue / Profit in millions of dollars.
2005 : 39,788 / 14,561
2006 : 44,282 / 16,472
2007 : 51,122 / 18,524
2008 : 60,420 / 22,492
2009 : 58,437 / 20,363

Can you see the trend, continuously increasing profits because there simply cannot be any legitimate competition that cannot be copyrighted/patented out of existence.

This company is sucking 60 billion dollars out of the available IT spend and converting 30% of that into direct profit for itself, and it is increasing it's greed.

If it did not exist, then the industry would suddenly have at least 60 billion dollars available to spend on projects. Imagine what that kind of diversity could produce.

But, then again, the people currently brainwashed by Microsoft could spend their IT spend on more sexy secretaries and longer golf instead. :rofl:

[doobiwan]

Stoky poke, shame on you.

That's the most jaundiced, skewed view of OpenGL versus DirectX I have ever heard. OpenGL was originally neither open or free. It was owned by SGI and incredibly patent impaired. Design was by the slowest committee on earth. Microsoft simply decided to introduce DX to move at a faster pace and focus on consumer needs not workstation requirements. They never prevented anyone from using Open GL, they have always been happy to have OpenGL on windows.

As for the rest of the Microsoft hating, the Penguinista have to get over themselves. Ubuntu is lovely, Ubuntu and Red Hat are available as preinstall options if you so desire. The sad truth, like the stinky kid at the dance is that... people are just not interested. Look at the netbook market. Linux had the market to itself, Microsoft took a year to finally concede to reintroduce XP, and you know what happened? 95% (MS figure) of netbooks now ship with windows, because people want it.

Windows 7 is a great OS. Every comment on the sins site is twisted bull****
1. Windows is the de facto standard in industry, teaching anything else limits your opportunities. Besides that schools are free to install Ubuntu if they so wish and some do.
2. WGA information never leaves your PC, it checks if you have a valid key while you're trying to download more free stuff from microsoft.
3. Just not true. Dell and HP both offer Linux. It's just not popular
4. Products evolve. MS transparently offers support for up to 5 years. OSS products break compatibility between point releases.
5. What utter ****. MS have never tried to block ODF in the slightest, they ever already have support baked in. They just wanted their own version ratified as well. This is a whole nother debate
6. Microsoft have to enforce those standards by law.
7. MS is the worlds favourite target. By comparison Apple is as open as the SA zim border. MS try hard but no software is perfect, even OSS has it's share of holes per year.

As for your $60 million, good old Steve Ballmer came with a fantastic quote: "Free software is only free if your time is worth nothing" And it's 100% true. I've spent the last 3-4 years picking apart and rebuilding apps that someone thought they could either do better themselves or drop in some OSS component because they didn't want to up front the $1200 for the correct tools. Well the latest projects rework to undo the "$1200" saved is costing over $50000 in man hours.

I'm not saying MS always gets it right, in many cases, yes they get it horribly wrong as well. But software is an industry and even free software is about money. (Who and why do you think pays for Apache, Eclipse, OSGi etc etc?)

[rainy]

One can discuss Microsoft's business practices for evenings at a time. The crux of the matter is that instead of just pointing fingers, the FSF should rather make clear why the alternatives are better. as long as they can't do that, you can't take them seriously.

P.S.: Windows 7 rocks!

[Jono]

Stoke jou poep! lol. :p I have printers to fix, no time for research and reading what's written on different websites. *sigh*

As for doobiwan, i have read something like that about opengl before now that you mention it. But im not going to pretend i know it all because I have no arguement to back myself up. :)

ps. did i mention im installing windows 7 tonight? lol

[doobiwan]

heh heh, I have a lovely warm copy of win 7 RTM at work, but I'm trying to lead a good moral non-pirated life at home, and the IT guys won't let me install it at work :(

[Jono]

Aaaah that sucks...I have a 40gb partition on my one drive that my RTM copy is going to. ;) It's lying on my desk. :D

[rainy]

I have Windows 7 RTM - free *and* legal.

[SlappY]

Common hypocrits.
Lets show teh evil Microsoft.
Uninstall Windows.
Do it for our children and our childrens children.
didnt think so. :P
NOOBS!

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Hey that website plagerised from the Bible. We should sue.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." -- Lao Tzu

Didnt Jesus say that? I remember he did something with a fish???

EDIT: Apologies. The chinese dude did say this.

But on this point, might i pose a few questions:
#1: Who feeds the dude who is teaching the other dude to fish.
#2: Who makes the bread while everyone is out fishing.

Everyone has a role to fill. So suck it in. MS has done more for computing than ANY other happy clappy open source dodgy software maker

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Hmm... The more I read this site the more noob it seems. This is fearmongering personified. lamo

[stokeza]

Everyone has a role to fill. So suck it in. MS has done more for computing than ANY other happy clappy open source dodgy software maker.Riiight.
Brainwashed to the max!

When I started programming for a living, I wrote software using Pascal and Powerbuilder (Powersoft) and this other product who's name has slipped my mind. I'm going to call it U3.

The Microsoft vs Pascal saga is pretty well known.

Powersoft and U3 had serious data managing abilities, knocking Microsoft's Visual basic right out of the playpen. I created 27 different systems in 2 years using those systems and they worked perfectly.

U3 did not patent their means of handling and presenting data so they were quickly taken apart in court by MS.

Powersoft was brought to it's knees by Microsoft giving away training for Visual Basic. Powersoft was bought by Sybase for a song who immediately stripped the core team and tried to integrate it into their rubbish dbms.

Powersoft and U3 could have been the world leaders in business software building suits. They were leagues and leagues ahead of MS.

But, ya ... thank you MS for making editing 20 000 000 rows of data difficult for the bast 11 years.

[SlappY]

So in essence you saying MS is better in the business arena. And you saying that giving away free training and upskilling people, providing them with self sustainability and jobs is a bad thing? And like I said. Until you stop using MS stuff altogether... dont bash em. There are alternatives, however people still come back to MS. Sure blame propriatary techs, but the fact is a LOT of companies use propriatary tactics. End result, if their product sucked as badly as everyone says, people would not have flocked there in the first place.

[rainy]

Given the chance, any other company would have acted exactly as Microsoft did.

[Askari]

But more importantly who is Jono?

[Sheepy]

What skari said :D

[stoke]

Jono, it are time for you to introduce yourselves.
Open a thread here: http://www.wargeeks.org/forumdisplay.php?f=12 (Off-Topic) and tell us who you are.

[rainy]

And while we are at it, Blokkies and Taita can do likewise.