RESET! Time for action! (All WoWers, please read)

[senorblinky]

Dear WoW Geeks

I hope you've all read TG's post in the announcement thread (check it out here, it's important, read it! http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8288).
Well, MMORPGs - Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games, or as I like to call it Many Men Online Role Playing Girls – are causing a bit of strife. We've seen what Guild Wars did to the community and now WoW has managed to do the same. I am not going to go into the details, because to be honest, it is painful for me, it is painful for you, and 30 different people have 30 different stories and reasons and the kicker is, they are all different.

So what can we do? Well, we've committed ourselves to change (Remember this thread: http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8264). And that change isn't just a flowery, emotional speeches and posts, that change has finally translated into action. If you've read TG's post (remember that link up there?) you know now what the actions are.

I'm here to tell you what it means for you, the WoWers, and I think this next bit is pretty important, so please read it carefully:

1. Guild leadership
As you know, we are no longer supporting MMORPGs, so the council will have absolutely no influence in the game leadership et al going forward. It is up to the WoW players to nominate who will be the guild leader and who will be the guild officers. Once the nominations are in, the players will vote and take it from there.

2. Formation of a New guild
Ok, so now you have new leadership, you have decided who the new guild leader is going to be, now you need to come up with a new name and form a new guild and get all y'all into that guild. The leaders will be responsible for the administration of that guild, so it's up to them to buy a new guild bank et al. We have decided to split the current guild bank contents with Ire Infernus, so we will be announcing a fire sale and allow you to buy what you want at a seriously reduced cost, then we will split the gold. The new guild will use that gold to buy the GB and the amount of tabs it needs and then put the rest of the gold into the GB, well… actually, I say this, but it will ultimately be up to the new guild's leadership to do what they want.

3. The forums
We will be closing the private WoW forums. The public forums will remain, but the council will have absolutely no control over management decisions made by the new officers. The council's role will be to keep the peace in the threads, but I think that THAT is a worry for later, since we are all committed to peace, committed to change, and I think our commitment will grease the wheels for rebuilding a great guild. However, that guild will have absolutely NO affiliation with the WrG or WarGeek brand.

4. Conflict resolution
It's blatantly obvious that it's not possible to keep all the people happy all the time. But with the split of the guild with members moving to Ire Infernus and the solid WrGs with different gaming ideals, I think (for now at least) the mindset of the current members are all the same and they currently have the same ideals and goals. However (comma) this might change. Scratch that – it WILL change and folks WILL fight again. It's inevitable.
It is now in the hands of the guild to peacefully and amicably resolve their issues. It is not up to the council or clan to resolve your issues. If fights or verbal abuse spill over into the forums, we WILL issue hour and day bans, or worse, if necessary. It's not a threat, it's a promise – but again I want to emphasise that such an approach would be a last resort.

After the new guild is formed and its new officers appointed, the flow will continue. If officers want to canvas new guild members, they are free to do so, seeing as the humble school boy approach only got us so far. We want action, we want leaders, but moreover, we want satisfaction – so if you want to be an officer and canvas a bit, and make some campaign promises, feel free to do so, I think it could be highly entertaining and fun to watch, but it will also show the fellow guildies nominating you that you are serious for the task. Remember, once guild leadership is chosen, that's that, and it's up to the standalone guild to manage themselves, and that, my friends, is a scary thought.

Our ultimate goal and focus is two-fold, and that ultimate goal and focus will be ongoing:
1. The goal is peace, attaining it and keeping it.
2. The focus is the community – not the games that it plays, but it's members – our friends.

So far I've used the garden metaphor – so I guess my final question should be: Can you dig it?

Please note - some of you may NOT want to do this. That's fine. You're fully entitled to do what you want to do. This whole thing is merely a suggestion as a way forward. If you would rather move to a different guild, please do so. Just bear in mind that sooner or later, the WrG guild as it stands will be /gdisbanded.


This is what we've decided and we are taking action!


Questions/Comments my darlings?
We are here to answer them.

[Hoss]

Congratulations on this rather bold move. I'm willing to bet that you are going to pick up grief for this from some quarters Blinks but I support you 100% if that is of any value.


1. Is it possible to define the role/daily tasks of the guild officers?

2. As far as guild leader is concerned, you da man :sharp:

3. Can you give us an idea of the cost of setting up the guild bank, because heres a suggestion. We are splitting the spoils down the middle with Infernus right. I'd like to suggest (if everyone is in agreement) that we as a guild don't grab and run like drugged up LA looters but that we rather decide to sell stuff in AH or some other idea which could maximize our bucks so that we kit that bank out properly with tabs and have some decent funds left over that can help fellow guildies with some costly leveling requirement.
But this can be discussed properly at a later stage.

4. The new name, oh this is going to be interesting :hyper: Lets give this some proper thought ladies, RP servers and all


Man I love the idea of this. The fresh start, and quite appropriately during spring. So much potential. Once again well done

[EyeBall]

Brilliant idea Blinks , like I said in the other thread I will back you and you have my support.

I've been thinking , I thought of this, purely in the idea of saving moneys can we not just move the GB over the the Ire infernus and we move over there ? I don't know what the officers from Ire thinks , but this will solve a bunch of problems and we won't need to sell everything to stock up 2 guilds.
we can make Ire our unofficial WrG guild ?

I did some reading and it looks like the only way we will be able to change the guild name is by reporting it as a "bad" name and Bliz will force us to change it

Maybe that's not a bad idea :woohoo: :panic:

[w1z4rd]

So we are splitting because of ego`s. Fantastic. Noooot.

Yesterday was the first time for several hours I was the only person in WrG online. *breaks into an Annie musical* Its a hard life life, oh life, its a hard life oh life. Just me and you!*

I dont care, if people wanna throw their toys out the cot thats fine, even if it is costing WrG.

I will remind you a lot of WrGs quit the game and donated all their stuff to the bank (afaik), Im not sure they will be happy with their stuff sponsoring a new guild that has nothing to do with WrG.

[EyeBall]

So we are splitting because of ego`s. Fantastic. Noooot.

Yesterday was the first time for several hours I was the only person in WrG online. *breaks into an Annie musical* Its a hard life life, oh life, its a hard life oh life. Just me and you!*

I dont care, if people wanna throw their toys out the cot thats fine, even if it is costing WrG.

I will remind you a lot of WrGs quit the game and donated all their stuff to the bank (afaik), Im not sure they will be happy with their stuff sponsoring a new guild that has nothing to do with WrG.

Wiz , as I see it the heart and soul of WrG is going to stay , just we are going to play under another banner.

[Voicy]

Im not sure they will be happy with their stuff sponsoring a new guild that has nothing to do with WrG.

I'm happy with it. That's what the guild bank is for - helping okes. The second you put it in the GB you write it off - otherwise aH it. :)


Eyeball - as for the new guild name, incase there's no furnace smelting/merge - We could always revisit the previous guild-name thread. *cough* Karazhan Chess club *cough*

[w1z4rd]

Wiz , as I see it the heart and soul of WrG is going to stay , just we are going to play under another banner.

Okay, then I dont understand the need to split the bank....let those moving away from the heart and soul ... take their stuff. Theyre still online and know whats theirs.

How about the Guild name "Carpe Carpum"?

For those of you who dont know latin, that means.. Seize the fish!

[TG]

1. Is it possible to define the role/daily tasks of the guild officers?


That is entirely up to the WoW players.



2. As far as guild leader is concerned, you da man :sharp:


Again, that's up to the wow players. :p Remember, like I said in the announcement, just because a council member may have a leadership position in an in-game guild, does not mean it has anything to do with the clan. Although that may be difficult for people to separate.




I've been thinking , I thought of this, purely in the idea of saving moneys can we not just move the GB over the the Ire infernus and we move over there ? I don't know what the officers from Ire thinks , but this will solve a bunch of problems and we won't need to sell everything to stock up 2 guilds.
we can make Ire our unofficial WrG guild ?


That depends on how the leadership of Ire Infernus feels. As far as I know, this hasn't been discussed with them yet. It's entirely up to what you guys decide, and also what Ire Infernus want.



I did some reading and it looks like the only way we will be able to change the guild name is by reporting it as a "bad" name and Bliz will force us to change it

Maybe that's not a bad idea :woohoo: :panic:


Yeah...uh.. no. That will most likely take ages, and Blizzard will stick warnings onto accounts.



I will remind you a lot of WrGs quit the game and donated all their stuff to the bank (afaik), Im not sure they will be happy with their stuff sponsoring a new guild that has nothing to do with WrG.

It's either that, or everything is destroyed. You're talking around 11k gold, and LOADS of expensive items.

The guild will already be taking a hit for the loss of the guild tabs. Those things are EXPENSIVE.

FWIW, IF anything was donated (I don't know), then it is no longer the donaters responsibility as to what happens to their stuff.

[VuduSA]

This is smashing Blinkers!!! You have all my support in this, like I said before, if you need any help, just call The VUDU!!

I am with Hoss, Blinky for President!!!(Guild Master)

As for the name, I know we are going to vote, my suggestion : Warsong Rebel Guard

[w1z4rd]

I just dont understand how half of roughly 5 years of WrG work goes to a guild that from my perspective split away from WrG. I dont mind a massive amount, like 10k gold or something going to them, I just dont understand why all the stuff the geeks lived and died for ... is going to another guild.

The gold other than buying tabs, is pretty useless, its the items that help the average guildie.. I know theyve helped me a lot! The option of destroying the items is silly and I hope no one takes that comment seriously. So basically we are going to have two empty guild banks with loads of gold but nothing anyone can use in them. Fantastic poo.

Im sure those guildies that quit when they donated stuff thought their stuff would be used by WrGs.. not splinter groups.

Saying all that.. I promised myself not to invest emotion in this game ... so I am not going to. This feels like a freeken divorce and I couldnt be bothered other than to let my opinion known.

Make lots of gold no one can use except to buy tabs, I dont care... destroy it all, sell it all .. whatever.

I have friends online and thats what matters to me.

[Thumponius]

What about 'Carpe Jugulum'?

[lolla]

Ek weet nie.....Maybe it's just may female Virgoid hormonal over reaction, but it feels like those of us who just play for fun are kinda being socked in the nuts by this. You have Ire, for 'DA SERIOUS WoWers', and WrG was the orphanage we were left in to fend for ourselves. Now that is being taken away from us also, where do we stand? As Wiz said.....the numbers left in WrG are so small, 6 online and we get goosebumps, that you get to think 'Is it worth it?'. People such as myself, who cannot (due to a variety of circumstances) spend 24/7 on WoW will be left in the dark.....We do not have the subtle and seemingly secretive communication channels that others have.
I dunno....feels like nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat some worms worms worms.....(if Wiz can sing so can I).
Perhaps we should set a date for those of us that remain to get our buts onto WrG to clean up the mess there, pack our portmanteaus and find another inn for the night...

[Thumponius]

Ok, Ordinary Real People Having At Naughtiness? (ORPHAN)

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Not that there's anything ordinary about any of us.

[Hoss]

I just dont understand how half of roughly 5 years of WrG work goes to a guild that from my perspective split away from WrG. I dont mind a massive amount, like 10k gold or something going to them, I just dont understand why all the stuff the geeks lived and died for ... is going to another guild.
...

Yeah Im most probably near the top of the Ire Infernus shitlist but in all fairness to them, a ton of that stuff that you see in the guild bank, was put there by members of the new guild. For me personally I never used the bank (except literally 2 items that I paid for) so I'd feel like a real toss if I had to take stuff and an Ire INfernus member couldn't.

But we have to look at the big picture here folks, the spirit of this move, not the other smaller issues that are centric to the game. Its a fresh start for us, something new and exciting to do. And we have to concede that this will be of a huge benefit to the rest of the clan (which includes us too) to not have all the nonsense anymore!

[w1z4rd]

Then you are online and active, take your stuff. Selling everything off for gold is pointless. The gold is useless to everyone but Ire. Perhaps splitting the items is a better idea. At least those of us not wanting to start our own guild and buy tabs have something useful still.

[EyeBall]

before we actually carry on with this discussion , does the Ire Infernus guys actually want half of the stuff ?

Who is the main mackie from Ire , could we get some input from him / them

[senorblinky]

1. Is it possible to define the role/daily tasks of the guild officers?


As TG said, this will be up to the guild, i can only imagine that officers would have to think of current structures in place and how to best create or update (or even cancel) these structures in the new guild.
Stuff to consider:
1. Raiding (Raid leaders)
2. DKP that goes with that
3. Guild playing together goodness (Horde city raids, death races)






2. As far as guild leader is concerned, you da man :sharp:


:D Thanks for the kind words and the vote of confidence, i appreciate it immensely!! But again, it's up to the guild.






3. Can you give us an idea of the cost of setting up the guild bank, because heres a suggestion. We are splitting the spoils down the middle with Infernus right. I'd like to suggest (if everyone is in agreement) that we as a guild don't grab and run like drugged up LA looters but that we rather decide to sell stuff in AH or some other idea which could maximize our bucks so that we kit that bank out properly with tabs and have some decent funds left over that can help fellow guildies with some costly leveling requirement.
But this can be discussed properly at a later stage.


Agreed, however, i don't know how much Ire would ideally like, so i suggest, whatever OUR guys don't want to buy, we can just carry over to the new GB.
The GB is rather expensive, pending the amount of tabs you need, however, there is more than enough gold in the GB to finance whatever the new guild might need.
Remember, that GB was focused on two things - helping guys level, and helping guys raid, and now that has partially fallen away. The officers of the new guild will have to decide what the GB is going to be used for and structure it accordingly.

As an example, the Ire Infernus chaps use their GB to COMPLETELY finance raiding. The raid 6 nights out of 7 in the week, and in the GB is buff food, flask and cash for repairs. They use it for nothing else, but they are SERIOUS raiders and thus the GB compliments their style of play.






I've been thinking , I thought of this, purely in the idea of saving moneys can we not just move the GB over the the Ire infernus and we move over there ? I don't know what the officers from Ire thinks , but this will solve a bunch of problems and we won't need to sell everything to stock up 2 guilds.
we can make Ire our unofficial WrG guild ?

Ire Infernus has a lot of WrGs yes, but they are not a WrG guild or effectively have any affiliation with WrG.
They are not a the WrG holding guild
They are not the WrG raid tour operators.
When thinking of Ire Infernus, i want you to think of ANY other guild out there (Unnatural as an example) and all those guilds are nothing of us. Ire however, is just filled with a lot more cool guys that will help us and raid with us when asked. They are (soon to be ex) WrG friends (ex WrG, not ex friends :p) but that's where it ends.

I had a nice long chat with Siepie last night to tell him what we are planning and what we are doing and he is incredibly stoked and thinks it's a brilliant idea. He thinks this can only strengthen our raiding relationship and as per this thread's original post and as per Siepie last night, if you would like to join Ire Infernus instead of forming a new guild, then you have to go apply at Ire, no one is stopping you, and if you're a serious raider, it can only be a good move for you, as the remnants of the WrG are notoriously laid back.






I did some reading and it looks like the only way we will be able to change the guild name is by reporting it as a "bad" name and Bliz will force us to change it

It's not "Fresh" enough for my liking.
We are completely disbanding WrG and spending the gold we've collected over the years to cleans us from inactive players.
A petition to blizzard take to long and a warning on the name will mark an infraction on the guild leader's account.

So no, we are not renaming, we are disbanding.





So we are splitting because of ego`s. Fantastic. Noooot.


No, we split (past tense) because of egos. This is not a split, this is WrG taking action to grease the wheels for peace.






Yesterday was the first time for several hours I was the only person in WrG online. *breaks into an Annie musical* Its a hard life life, oh life, its a hard life oh life. Just me and you!*


It's the hard-knock life for us!
It's the hard-knock life for us!

'Steada treated, we get tricked!
'Steada kisses, we get kicked!

It's the hard-knock life for us!

Shame, orphans versus people that can pay a subscription to play a game... nice...






I dont care, if people wanna throw their toys out the cot thats fine, even if it is costing WrG.


It already cost WrG.
I was online last night.
9 WrGs online
3 Ire Infernus members online.

And only the Ire folks were using TS and they sounded like they were having a blast.

No Wiz, it already cost WrG - this is a step towards rebuilding the WrG community, the whole is greater.






I will remind you a lot of WrGs quit the game and donated all their stuff to the bank (afaik), Im not sure they will be happy with their stuff sponsoring a new guild that has nothing to do with WrG.

And i will remind you that i've been a member of this guild for 2 and a half years, donated thousands of gold for death races and doezens of bags and enchanting mats.

We are not necessarily going to split the content, but WrG GB is designed to help players, whether it's raiders or levelers, and in keeping with this (buying expensive shit for el cheapo) we are helping folks, as easy as that.

However, and we can discuss, if you want to transfer contents of the old GB to the new GB, then we can do that.

Oh and BTW, those ire okes that buggered off, made no demands for GB contents and expect nothing, and they've made the most contributions to it, so please, let's get some perspective Wizzies.





This is smashing Blinkers!!! You have all my support in this, like I said before, if you need any help, just call The VUDU!!

I am with Hoss, Blinky for President!!!(Guild Master)

As for the name, I know we are going to vote, my suggestion : Warsong Rebel Guard

Guys, and this is very important, i want you all to know:

VuduSA never wanted to quit WrG. He loves this clan, he loves this guild and he loves us. BUT i told him, in a moment of weakness that i was moving to Ire Infernus eventually (this was 3 weeks ago) and then Vudu decided that if i was going, he would join me.

However, since my decision to move, i've had wonderful chats with gentlemen like Thumpy (one that we've lost in the heat of this battle) and i looked at the WrG guild and it's members and i just couldn't leave. The bulk of my friends moved over, but no one knew exactly what was going, so i stuck around to teach them, i am an officer and i made a commitment, and even with the formation of the new guild, i'm going to stick around and make sure that the okes who want to get to go to those 25 man raids (this is not just me canvassing :p)

I kinda let Vudu hang out there to dry because i said somethings in haste, and i just want you okes to know how much he loves this clan and this guild and how keen he is to help with the rebuilding. The boy just want to play the game he loves with the people he loves. Don't blame him for moving, blame me for talking kak.

Vudu, glad to have you with me brother!





I just dont understand how half of roughly 5 years of WrG work goes to a guild that from my perspective split away from WrG. I dont mind a massive amount, like 10k gold or something going to them, I just dont understand why all the stuff the geeks lived and died for ... is going to another guild.


Well, this is up for discussion.
Besides, it was never all, and as i mentioned earlier, those guys made the bulk of the contributions, but i'm not an accountant and i'm not having this fight over the GB contents right now. That's just loot whorish and it's beneath us.






The gold other than buying tabs, is pretty useless, its the items that help the average guildie.. I know theyve helped me a lot! The option of destroying the items is silly and I hope no one takes that comment seriously. So basically we are going to have two empty guild banks with loads of gold but nothing anyone can use in them. Fantastic poo.


Gold buys bags for new starters
Gold pays for repairs after raiding
Gold pays rewards for Death races
Gold finance loans for epic mounts.

People who can use the items buy them, whatever doesn't get purchased gets moved over.






Im sure those guildies that quit when they donated stuff thought their stuff would be used by WrGs.. not splinter groups.


What voicy said.






Saying all that.. I promised myself not to invest emotion in this game ... so I am not going to. This feels like a freeken divorce and I couldnt be bothered other than to let my opinion known.


LOL, it looks like some borderline emotion there, and you haven't even started raiding yet :rofl:





Ek weet nie.....Maybe it's just may female Virgoid hormonal over reaction, but it feels like those of us who just play for fun are kinda being socked in the nuts by this. You have Ire, for 'DA SERIOUS WoWers', and WrG was the orphanage we were left in to fend for ourselves. Now that is being taken away from us also, where do we stand? As Wiz said.....the numbers left in WrG are so small, 6 online and we get goosebumps, that you get to think 'Is it worth it?'. People such as myself, who cannot (due to a variety of circumstances) spend 24/7 on WoW will be left in the dark.....We do not have the subtle and seemingly secretive communication channels that others have.
I dunno....feels like nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat some worms worms worms.....(if Wiz can sing so can I).
Perhaps we should set a date for those of us that remain to get our buts onto WrG to clean up the mess there, pack our portmanteaus and find another inn for the night...

TG? Do you not discuss these things with your wife? This is the second post that makes me think you don't tell her anything... no man!

First off, as i said earlier, we are on par with Ire in terms of active members, they are not better off than us, all they do is raid.we are much more laid back and relaxed and that is exactly what will be transferred to the next guild.

So please, don't see this as us leaving people out in the cold, this is us empowering guildies to be the best they can be.

Lola, besides from changing the banner under which you play - what happens to you? nothing my dear, effectively nothing changes in your play style.

I am not going to give up because the numbers have dwindled. I have helped build this guild up from under ten members, i've seen it grow to over 50 members, and then i saw it torn apart and ravaged, by egos, by politics, by drama and by other games.
I am not going to give up on us, i am going to take the handful of people that love playing games and i am going to play my games with them, and then, we rebuild.

This is a fantastic opportunity to learn from our experiences and mistakes, to get the foundation right and rebuild a great guild.





And on a lighter note, i suggest my name the guild "STDs are BoP"
((WHAHAHAHA, just kidding, that'll never fly on an RP server))

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lol, just reread - Wizard, i'm not kakking you out my boet, though i sound a bit stern, trust me, i believe you have valid points.

Let's discuss the GB as this seems to be the biggest issue at the mo. (which is weird, but ok)

[EyeBall]

I would quote you buddy , but it's just too much.

The more I'm reading this the more I agree , Let's start fresh. new guild new bank. our own way of doing this :D

[senorblinky]

That's exactly what it is EB
It's Our way, YOUR way of doing things.

Of course we might steal some of the values from WrG, because we know they work, but this is an opportunity to take charge and change what you don't like, so you can play the game you love to play.

[Flatty]

OK, I skip back & read the voluminous posts in a sec, I need a the jazz so this'll be quick.

I suggest that everyone move over to Ire Infernus. It's there, it's ready & it was never about "us" & "them" - it was just about creating less hassle on these very pages that we all hold dear.

[senorblinky]

Hey Flats
Very kind of you to say, but Ire Infernus is not a WrG holding guild.
If you want to apply to join Ire Infernus, you follow their application process and do what they deem necessary.
It is an option, and we encourage you to do what you want to do, but don't take Ire Infernus membership as automatic, yes, they are our very good and dear friends, but it is a seperately managed guild as well, i would HATE if people impose on US like that, so i don't want you guys to impose like that on them.

[Flatty]

Edit: Politics? In a game? Next thing we'll be voting about who should have babies & who shouldn't. Anyway - COME COME COME chaps get yo asses into Ire Infernus - I miss you guys.

We have a forum set up, where we can flame & make asses of ourselves - we have leadership. Please remember that people aren't leaders because you want them to be, they're leaders because they want to be ;)

EDIT: I honestly think that the Ire Infernus guys are missing the rest of the Geeks, but I will make a post on the site & get a general consensus.

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Please bear in mind that the Ire Infernus forum is deader than a dead thing so it might take some time to get this census in motion....

[TG]

Let me please re-iterate what will happen with regards to the forums.

The WoW Private forums and sub-forums will be MOVED to the council accessible only archive. I may delete the calendar forums and posts, cuz I don't think there's anything worthwhile keeping there. Relevant stuff (like TS details) - if inside the WoW private forums, will be moved to Clan General.

The current WoW public forum will be renamed, and moved out the way, and a new public forum will be created. I'll move relevant old posts to the new forum.
The new guild/guilds are WELCOME to use the forum... that's what its there for. Any guild members that are not already clan members will just need to register on the site (like normal) in order to take part.

I will do this sometime tonight.

[Mugato]

I vote for a new guild, new banners, new beer, new flags, pots, pans and kitchen sinks! Did i mention beer?

No disrespect intended, I hope Im not being seen as being difficult about it but i dont want to play under Ire. It will be a constant reminder of the massive fallout and i personally just want to play the game at the enjoyable level again without the whispers and unhappy mutterings.

I also put a vote in for Blinky as guild master.

Im all for the healing, Im all for mending bridges, Im all for positive change and forward thinking. I love WoW so much but I dont like logging in anymore. I still wonder howcome I felt so strongly about everything, its only a game and im a pretty level headed person but I think I realised then and there what being in this community is all about and how much id come to bond with people who are in fact "strangers".

Let me categorically state - I have no issues with the guild leaders and members from Ire. I think you are cool guys and no matter what was said or went down over the last month I acknowledge you and the impact you have had on the game. I however would prefer to get on with things that arent linked to a very dark period for WrG.

I say these things with the greatest respect to you all.

Peace:vsign:

[Flatty]

Okey dokey - chaps. I was just trying to make things easier. I am not getting involved with this because I have made enough drama on my lonesome. Whatever you guys do is up to you.

We will always have constant reminders of drama - if we don't remember our mistakes how will we ever learn from them? Is it wrong to remember the holocaust?

Siepsop has stated that you guys are welcome to join Ire Infernus, but it will be by application through the website. I don't care who did what, or why? If we can't move forward we will be stuck in a perpetual loop of the blame game.

I just want to play WoW & not worry about politics - I can go to MyADSL for that. I am in Ire Infernus, and I have a sense of loyalty to the guys that took the initiative to create a non-political environment for us to play in.

[senorblinky]

Nice post uncle Dylan, and i kinda understand.
I mean, i love the Ire okes, hell, they are my brothers and i played with them the most, and it makes me sad that we are no longer under one banner.

However, we are picking ourselves up and dusting ourselves off and now is the time.
Old codger like punky, TG and darnit will tell you, back in the day, we used to be four people online, 6 people online and OMG! WE HAVE 12 PEOPLE ONLINE, MOST EVER! So i am excited to be rebuilding, it's something to get used to, less raiding or whatever the results may be, but i promise you this, based on your positive attitudes, we will be great again, but it will take time.

Effectively, your (You - you WoW pplaying WarGeeks) your only responsibility now is to play the game you enjoy and i want to empower you to play that game.

So if you want to go to Ire, go and apply.
If you want to stick around with the WrGs, then i am looking forward to you jumping in and working with us on this rebuilding.
If you want to go do your own thing or whatever, that's TOTALLY up to you.

We as a community remain here and we ALL remain friends, but we are not going to dictate a path for you to walk anymore, now the time has come for you to choose your own path.

And i want to implore the blues to read and post here too, Grooly, blokkies, alzemash, dormiepormie - hierdie affekteer julle ook, so it's important that you read and understand what's happening - you need to participate now, even if it is only to say you're moving guilds or you want to be an officer

Only dead fish go with the flow guys.

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And the past is the past.

I say again:

THE PAST IS THE PAST.


I do not want to relive trivial nonsense in these rebuilding threads, so please, go write it on your stomach.

It doesn't matter what happened or who did what to whom. It's time to move forward, focusing on the NOW and the FUTURE.

[Mugato]

I said it before and ill say it again. You da man Blinks!

The council has warmed my heart today. :D

Its refreshing to read these forums and feel a sense of positive energy. Fantastic chaps, fantastic!

[Thumponius]

Rather give me chilli so I can warm my pants. It's cold today.

[Flatty]

Ah, the joys of living in the UK :)

[Mugato]

We will always have constant reminders of drama - if we don't remember our mistakes how will we ever learn from them? Is it wrong to remember the holocaust?

Siepsop has stated that you guys are welcome to join Ire Infernus, but it will be by application through the website. I don't care who did what, or why? If we can't move forward we will be stuck in a perpetual loop of the blame game.


You making sense flatty. I hear what you saying and in many respects its the logical step. When I think about where I would like to be though, Id prefer to play in a new guild with EVERYBODY under one banner. That would be the perfect scenario. For me anyway. But this isnt about me. Its about all of us. I cant help but hear that Heal World song in my head. Eish.

[Grooly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auCDOERZyE
I'm with you oaks fo sho!

[senorblinky]

i kinda dig "the Orphans" but we will outgrow that name in a month or two

What about "The Orphans of Azeroth"

Come on folks, ball in motion here... :)

[w1z4rd]

It was so sad looking at an empty guild bank. So serious question here, do we have quit the guild when the new one starts or does the guild name change automatically? Can we vote on the new name?

[TG]

You will have to gquit and then accept the invite to the new guild.

Yes, by all means, vote on a name.

[Gala]

Hi guys sorry for the late reply, I had to find time to read the volumes of posts here before adding my 1 cents worth:D

The new guild sounds like a great plan.

Blinks for President (clan orificer) sounds like a great plan :borat: (Blinks you should think of becoming a hostage negotiator ;) )

Sign me up for assisting on building the guild and helping with levelling, ganking etc. time permitting.

I would also like to nominate Enzo (Nitty for clan officer).

As for a new guild with relaxed playing style and less rules, sounds like a great plan :borat:

As for new name, I gotta start thinking :)

P.S. Blinks you do realize the first job as officer would be to get Vudu et al. back into the new guild seeing as you got him out in the first place :chair:

[Jono]

ok....so empty guild bank and all? *sigh* i suddenly have a cramp in my rectum...

[Nitty]

I would also like to nominate Enzo (Nitty for clan officer).

:jester: I'm sure he was just kidding. Please don't take my hubby seriously ;)


P.S. Blinks you do realize the first job as officer would be to get Vudu et al. back into the new guild seeing as you got him out in the first place :chair:

And who gave you permission to use my chair while I wasn't looking? :talktothehand:

[Jono]

And who gave you permission to use my chair while I wasn't looking? :talktothehand:

:panic: Oh noes!

[senorblinky]

P.S. Blinks you do realize the first job as officer would be to get Vudu et al. back into the new guild seeing as you got him out in the first place :chair:

Working on it buddy! :D

But don't give me any work just yet, first someone has to start nominating guild officers, then we have to vote for them.

[TG]

It just occurred to me... has anybody told the remaining guild members who don't visit the site that often (If any) about what is happening?

[senorblinky]

I made a quick announcement in the guild chat two nights ago and change the guild message of the day, other than that, i don't know.

[w1z4rd]

It just occurred to me... has anybody told the remaining guild members who don't visit the site that often (If any) about what is happening?

Lots dont.. there has being a lot of surprise and hecticly upset peeps.

[senorblinky]

Well then, tell them.

[TG]

Lots dont.. there has being a lot of surprise and hecticly upset peeps.

Then if you're so concerned about what is happening, why don't you ensure that the confused and upset people are properly informed? Or is that someone else's problem?

[w1z4rd]

Then if you're so concerned about what is happening, why don't you ensure that the confused and upset people are properly informed? Or is that someone else's problem?

I let the people last night know already TG, told them to check the forums. Im gquiting tonight so someone else is ganna have to.

[senorblinky]

Look, i don't want to cause a stir, but my i ask why?

[w1z4rd]

Look, i don't want to cause a stir, but my i ask why?

Why what? Why am I quitting the guild? Because WrG is being disbanded? A couple of us have decided on our own direction after all this. Its not WrG anymore. Its a new crowd thats not WrG.

[EyeBall]

Why what? Why am I quitting the guild? Because WrG is being disbanded? A couple of us have decided on our own direction after all this. Its not WrG anymore. Its a new crowd thats not WrG.

we as wargeeks are making a new guild for the Wrg's.
we are not being disbanded , we are moving to a new guild , fresh start with a different name. that's all

[senorblinky]

Fantastic! Good on you guys!
But, then why didn't you say anything?
I mean, so what's left (the 10 people) are now being split in half again?

Who is going and who is staying? Just for interest sake.

[w1z4rd]

Whatever.

[senorblinky]

Nice.

[Mugato]

Jeesh okes.

lol. Eish man. I dont see any problem with the way things are being handled. When i was a non clanny, I HAD to take part in the website, I looked in DAILY to see what was happening and spot an oppurtunity. I dont see how any of them DONT know whats going on. Besides I had voicy constantly reminding me and encouraging me. (big love to my man voicy :inlove:)

Wizzy come now duder, we all friends here, I dont think its neccasary to get chipped with the ou's. Lets just try do something WITHOUT it turning into a huge fight. Has wow suddenly given us high levels of estrogen? Sounds like it :D

(no offence to you ladies, estrogen is bioligically correct for you. Your body knows how to deal with it, because you are superior and much more awesomer than us men. All the examples of high estrogen levels have been removed for our own protection but I think this forum is about to head down the same road so have a quick look and smile knowingly) :)

[senorblinky]

Thanks Mugsy, but i think we're still on track here buddy :D

I jsut wanted to know who is left in WrG and who is doing their own thang, who want to move to Ire and who wants to join the new guild, cause effectively, we're doing this for the new guild, which is going to have it's own brand new leadership, and it's totally independent from the WrG clan.

We encourage everyone in whichever direction they want to go, but for now, we are trying to facilitate things for the new guild and get them on track so we don't just leave them high and dry.

all smiles here buddy! :D

[Thumponius]

Oh, Mugs, you are such a shlup. No-one licks a suck up...

On a different note: guys, we've just been through a few rounds of bitchiness so could we just settle things down and throw some PM's at each other? Thank you. Now shake hands and please go and refer to the 'How to give a Man a hug' thread.

[senorblinky]

For example - i wanted to nominate Stoke for a leadership position, but i don't know if he and Wiz are going to do their own thang, d'you see what i meanzor?

Cause if Stoke isn't coming over, i need to look for someone else to nominate now, and coming to think about it, i have no idea who is left and who right, so i was kinda wondering who is going to the new guild, so i know who to vote for, you know?

[Flatty]

I am staying at Ire Infernus. If the Geeks need help in their new guild with healer/tank/dps - I will be available.

[Mugato]

Oh, Mugs, you are such a shlup. No-one licks a suck up...


:grouphug: Its all about the balance thumps.


Blinks - May I be so bold as to suggest making that table thing I always see you lovely people making. Dont ask me to explain further than that, I speant most of my html classes snogging the dance teacher in tech. I regret doing that now. Those table building skillz would of come in handy!

Anyhoo. All those who are going into the new guild put there names in the thread and are added to the table. It will be nice to see the table grow. Or not grow. Haha. :)

[senorblinky]

:rofl:
I don't know how to make the table either!

Look, i mean, i don't want a commitment from each person individually, just asking a Wiz or an EB for example if they can give me an indication of who is staying and who is going, you know what i'm saying?

The table will make it look pretty, but effectively, given our timing and the purpose, just a quick one liner would suffice

[Mugato]

lol. Ok yeah you are probably right.

Its beer time! Friday at 3pm, I allow myself a few beers as a reward. Kind of a weekly achievment. Like WG marks. I will be sober for Ulduar tonight...probably! See you guys there! :p

[Grooly]

Well i'm definitely sticking with you guys! Been having lots of fun with you ou toppies :p

[Voicy]

I speant most of my html classes snogging the dance teacher in tech. I regret doing that now. Those table building skillz would of come in handy!



:rofl:
I don't know how to make the table either, but I made my money twice fold giving dance lessons!


:eek:

[senorblinky]

Iemand snuif alweer vim.

[Jono]

Jinne smaak my al die poefe raak nou droog vir mekaar. :(

[Grooly]

Jinne smaak my al die poefe raak nou droog vir mekaar. :(

Lyk my so Jono :sad:

[Gala]

Im <WrG> till the end, or is that <exWrG> or what ever the new name is gonna be. :ohnoes:

I blame this whole debacle on the third force :eek:

Hey how is that for a guild name, real South African <Third Force>

[Jono]

Lyk my so Jono :sad:

Grooly ek dink ons begin 'n guild met die naam <nekked Gnomies> waat se jy? lol.

To be honest, I dont know what im doing or what what. But the game of fun is turning into a bonfire fueled by upset, misunderstandings and not much communication tussen al my blare. Its not nice to see all this going on. :weep: And people are all going slowly but surely because there's little faith in all this happenings working out for the better.

ok, shoot me now for saying things as is. (Im sitting on the sideline btw, very confused indeed) :confused:

[Grooly]

Grooly ek dink ons begin 'n guild met die naam <nekked Gnomies> waat se jy? lol.

Klink na 'n plan Jono! :bounce:


To be honest, I dont know what im doing or what what. But the game of fun is turning into a bonfire fueled by upset, misunderstandings and not much communication tussen al my blare. Its not nice to see all this going on. :weep: And people are all going slowly but surely because there's little faith in all this happenings working out for the better.

ok, shoot me now for saying things as is. (Im sitting on the sideline btw, very confused indeed) :confused:

Janee eks in dieselfde bootjie Jono...ek dink ons moet omdraai voor ons verlore raak en verdrink! Ek sal net graag wil weet wie graag wil oor gan na die nuwe guild AS dit ooit gan gebeur, want almal lykit my het hulle eie planne.

[Jono]

Janee eks in dieselfde bootjie Jono...ek dink ons moet omdraai voor ons verlore raak en verdrink! Ek sal net graag wil weet wie graag wil oor gan na die nuwe guild AS dit ooit gan gebeur, want almal lykit my het hulle eie planne.

Ek oorweeg dit rerag om sommer Guildless te solo. :rolleyes: Minder drama en hopelik sal ek dan nie a stinker wees nie. :confused:

[Nitty]

Julle tweetjies soek vir moeilikheid. Ek hou julle fyn dop. As ek sien een van julle sit 'n voet by die deur uit, gaan ek my stoel haal. Julle is gewaarsku :psycho:

[Grooly]

:hide:

[Jono]

aaaaah Enzo :gimmehug: Jy kan ons <Nekkid Gnomes> join. :p

[Pwincess]

Hey guys and gals, sorry this post is a bit late,been very busy at work today(yes, I work on Saturdays..bleugh), anyways, it was with a very sore heart and tears in my eyes that I left the guild last night.
I will not rehash old issues,but I feel that I need to experience all that the game has to offer, and while i would have preferred-obviously-to have done that with all of you, I just didn't see it happening.
Thanks for putting up with me, and I wish you all the best of luck with your new guild, please don't sell out- you know what I mean by that(or you should!)-and stay true to what you believe in.
Loves ya all :grouphug:

[Jono]

:gimmehug:

Well youre not completely gone i hope... :)
I kept playing this game because it was fun, and the last while, the fun factor has slowly dwindled away. But im trying to get that fun back again, be it run around naked with Grooly or just be an annoyance to some random Hordie.

ps. I cant find diamondsoul?

[Kryonin]

Jono, Think you scared her off running around naked like that!

Lemme let you in on a secret

REAL MEN WEAR PANTS :rofl:

[Jono]

ag pfffft!! lol. Well im not a man now am I.... :D

Still prettier than Grooly. :p

[Megnut3025]

Julle tweetjies soek vir moeilikheid. Ek hou julle fyn dop. As ek sien een van julle sit 'n voet by die deur uit, gaan ek my stoel haal. Julle is gewaarsku

Nitty jy het my baie veras, ek het nie geweet dat jou afrikaans is so mooi. Jou sinne is uit die boonsta raak :bow:

As you can see however that my afrikaans is a little less delicious :D Luckily for me, I live in the eastern cape, so anything goes :lmao:

Im so totally out of "gaming"/any form of online life at the mo-mee that I can bearly keep up with surfing the forums ... :cry: :sad: ... but and this is a big butt (no not mine Thumpy) ... Im hoping to join some of you lovely peeps in whatever game is happening in December! :pompom:
And if Nitsy Witsy is the only peep still online playing SIMS Pets ... then well I guess thats what I'll be playing! :slide:

[senorblinky]

:rofl:
And all this time i thought she WAS afrikaans.

Maar Meg, JOU afrikaans is te pragtig!

[Nitty]

Nitty jy het my baie veras, ek het nie geweet dat jou afrikaans is so mooi. Jou sinne is uit die boonsta raak :bow:

As you can see however that my afrikaans is a little less delicious :D Luckily for me, I live in the eastern cape, so anything goes :lmao:

Im so totally out of "gaming"/any form of online life at the mo-mee that I can bearly keep up with surfing the forums ... :cry: :sad: ... but and this is a big butt (no not mine Thumpy) ... Im hoping to join some of you lovely peeps in whatever game is happening in December! :pompom:
And if Nitsy Witsy is the only peep still online playing SIMS Pets ... then well I guess thats what I'll be playing! :slide:

Thanks for the smile again Meg. But yes, Blinky is right. I am Afrikaans - wink

Your Afrikaans is not bad either. I see you spell verras like a lot of Afrikaans people, but this spelling actually means cremated, so I hope you're not all black and stuff after this :P

Looking forward to gaming with you again in December, even if it's SIMS Pets (what's that BTW? lol)

Sorry I couldn't include any smilies - TG limited me to only include your quoted ones - sad...

[Jono]

Sorry I couldn't include any smilies - TG limited me to only include your quoted ones - sad...

That's why I stick to shorter messages. :) else I hit the Emoticon "cap" :p

[Megnut3025]

And all this time i thought she WAS afrikaans.

Maar Meg, JOU afrikaans is te pragtig!

Ag dankie my ou bier/dier (Im never sure if thats supposed to be with a "b" or "d" :D But Im sure they both mean something lekker! Ek probeer jy weet en ek dink dit is te minste iets al is dit net a bietjie reg :bouncy:


Thanks for the smile again Meg. But yes, Blinky is right. I am Afrikaans

Your Afrikaans is not bad either. I see you spell verras like a lot of Afrikaans people, but this spelling actually means cremated, so I hope you're not all black and stuff after this

Looking forward to gaming with you again in December, even if it's SIMS Pets (what's that BTW? lol)

Sorry I couldn't include any smilies - TG limited me to only include your quoted ones

I always delete the smilies out of the post I'm re quoting so that I can use all of my own again in the new post! And don't even speak to me about Squishy limiting our smilies... its makes me want to :cry:

Oh... and I didn't know you were Afrikaans!! *Good surprise/cremation* Your English is also really great!! So... I cremated myself in my 1st Afrikaans post... hmmm makes me think I should stick to English! :D

Maar daar is 'n paar Afrikaans woorde wat al is jy Engels kan jy net nie sonder kan leef nie. (ok I have no idea how to write that properly, I think there are too many kans and not enough nies :lmao:)

Soos byvoorbeeld:

Jis laaaik
Eina ( <-- love that one!! )
Bliksem (soos die strale in the lig nie a vloek woord nie )
Donder (soos die reindeer ook nie die vloek woord nie)
Kaboutetjie (soos Punky Aapie :p )

Okay, thats all I have for now :yawn: ... will think of some others while I sleep!

Lekker slaapies julle oulike mensies!

[Nitty]

Thank you Meg. Your Afrikaans is pretty impressive too :thumbsup:

What about "lekkerrrrrr". There is just not a lekker word like that in English :D

[Flatty]

I can think of some choice Afrikaans words, not in your list, that simply do not carry the same weight when used in their English iterations. Afrikaans is a very expressive language :D

[Jono]

Ek kan aan n paar oulike "krag woorde" dink. :) Maar ek wil nie n warning kry nie. :p

[senorblinky]

:D Beter so

[WondaWoman]

I like the word nuuskierig.. (sp?)... I don't know why.

[Nitty]

That is exactly right Wonda :)

Soos 'n nuuskierige agie, daar's 'n padda in jou magie :p

[Jono]

That is exactly right Wonda :)

Soos 'n nuuskierige agie, daar's 'n padda in jou magie :p

hahaha ek't vergeet van daai!

Heito potato buk of ek byt jou! (Ek weet nie of dit tel nie?) :p

[senorblinky]

Al my ou se goeters is vuil (want ek het hulle by my pa gehoor)
My ma se gunstelinge is "Husse! Husse met lang ore!"
And i used to hate that, but i can totally see myself tjooning my kids when they ask me wats for supper "Husse! met lang ore..."

[Voicy]

I used to work with a black dude who tried his best to speak afrikaans, but he'd always mix up sentences...

My favourite was when he tried to say "Everything is 100%" but he used to say "Alles is tussen die hakkies."

[TG]

My ma se gunstelinge is "Husse! Husse met lang ore!"
And i used to hate that, but i can totally see myself tjooning my kids when they ask me wats for supper "Husse! met lang ore..."

Yeah, that's a common one in our house. ;)

[Vortex]

Al my ou se goeters is vuil (want ek het hulle by my pa gehoor)
My ma se gunstelinge is "Husse! Husse met lang ore!"
And i used to hate that, but i can totally see myself tjooning my kids when they ask me wats for supper "Husse! met lang ore..."

This is the image I had of a 'Huss' with long ears..
http://img.listal.com/image/44137/500full-donnie-darko-poster.jpg

[Voicy]

That's not Huss! That's Frank! :bounce:

[Megnut3025]

What is a Huss? Is that the same as that English saying (which drew knows) ... something about Whats for supper? bread and pullit and if you cant pull it, drag it!
Dreeewwwwwwiiieee can you please come and put the right thing here :D

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I like the word nuuskierig.. (sp?)... I don't know why.

I also love this one! I quite enjoy watching 7de laan because every now and again they come out with some real "good" old afrikaans words. The disappointing part of the show is that too often they replace a lovely work like opwindind (sp?) and just say exciting. I think one of my all time favourite Afrikaans words is probably asemroowend (sp) breath taking. Its such an expression filled word. It just sounds so pretty. :)

[Jono]

Afrikaan is bakg@t! :D

Like a shirt i saw once. "Praat afrikaans of hou jou bek" Mooi gese.

I like "Knap gedaan".

[Thumponius]

Janee.

[Nitty]

Ek hou van die woord bekotsenswaardig.

Daar is ook die woord gemoedsbek@kking, wat ek ook gereeld makeer :)

Maar dis nou nie woorde wat mense gereeld gebruik nie. Ek vermoed iemand soos Nataniel het dit uitgedink.

[Megnut3025]

Ek hou van die woord bekotsenswaardig.

Daar is ook die woord gemoedsbek@kking

En wat beteken hierdie woorde Mev Nitty asb? :shrug:

[Nitty]

These words are quite witty, but I should probably spoiler my response Meg. Please excuse my lady-like (not) language ;)

Bekotsenswaardig means that it whatever you're referring to is worthy of being puked about. Kots = puke (but ugly) and waardig = worthy

Gemoedsbek@kking means that you have a shitty feeling if that makes sense. Gemoed = the way you feel (I can't come up with the translation - somebody please help and k@k I think you know.

:blush:

[Megnut3025]

These words are quite witty, but I should probably spoiler my response Meg. Please excuse my lady-like (not) language ;)

Bekotsenswaardig means that it whatever you're referring to is worthy of being puked about. Kots = puke (but ugly) and waardig = worthy

Gemoedsbek@kking means that you have a shitty feeling if that makes sense. Gemoed = the way you feel (I can't come up with the translation - somebody please help and k@k I think you know.

:blush:

OMW :lmao: :rofl:

well, the Afrikaans language is certainly colourful!! :D

Are those real words? Like in the woordeboek? So now I know what to say next time some non-afrikaans idiot irritates me ... JOU Bekotsenswaardigge MENS JY! :eek: :p

[senorblinky]

eerste klas kerels, eerste klas!

[Tresbien]

"Jinne, my mond hang oop" was one of my mother's favourites.
In English I think that just makes you a drooling idiot :D
My kids regularly have "Husse" for supper too ...

[TG]

My favourite is the word tietsloot. :D
Cleavage.

[Nitty]

I've never heard that one before TG :shrug:

[TG]

Sies. En jy is 'n vroumens. Het jy nie 'n tietsloot nie? :p
(Prolly not wise to answer that)

EDIT:
(Prolly not wise to ask that, either)

[Thumponius]

:rofl:

[Nitty]

What Shamus did.

[WingNut]

My favourite is the word tietsloot. :D
Cleavage.

Hahaha, now you're moving into the zef slang territory, which is a beast of a whole other nature! :rofl:

One of my favourite say things which just doesn't have the same effect in english: "Ek sit nou so lekker ek staan sommer op en gaan sit weer!" :p

[senorblinky]

Isn't that one of my say things?

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i may have stole it somewhere without realising though... :valkoog:

[Nitty]

Alle grappies op 'n stokkie :gyes:

[Jono]

Alle grappies op 'n stokkie :gyes:

En alle piepies in n hokkie :p

[Megnut3025]

O my Fader land ... julle mensies ruk hand uit nou :p

;)

[Sabre]

One word "Vluisterbroekies"

[senorblinky]

Of skinderbroekies :D
SIES! Whahahaha!