The exit is there!

[Flatty]

Seriously, unless these people were paying mi "top dollah", I'd tell them where to get off. Not "some dollah", but "TOP dollah!"

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-31269780

[rainy]

Is is true that money makes people lose perspective? Looking at these articles, it really seems so.

[WingNut]

"lose perspective" is putting it pretty mildly rainy... I'd rather say "lose complete touch with reality!"

[Flatty]

The customer is always right until he is wrong!

Pandering to the whims of one spoilt tenant when you have a full hotel of people just doesn't make sense.

People think because they have money it somehow makes them better than everyone else - their teeth fall out just like everyone else's after a good smack in the chops :D

[SlappY]

Flatty really doesnt like people with money hey.
Evey article he bitches about is about what asses rich folk are.

I hate to tell you this. But generally speaking, people with money ARE better than people without, cause they have the mettle to achieve and work hard and smart.

And secondly, if someone has made money, why cant the indulge in it? Else whats the point?

Remember something, most of the money given to poor people is from rich people. Sure it is their surplus, but without rich people, poor people will have nothing.

[rainy]

There is a difference between indulging in money and losing complete touch with reality.

The people in the linked article belong to the latter kind.

I would also be very careful generalizing 'people with money' and 'work hard and smart'. A lot of rich people never did a day's honest work in their lives.

[Flatty]

Flatty really doesnt like people with money hey.
Evey article he bitches about is about what asses rich folk are.

I hate to tell you this. But generally speaking, people with money ARE better than people without, cause they have the mettle to achieve and work hard and smart.

And secondly, if someone has made money, why cant the indulge in it? Else whats the point?

Remember something, most of the money given to poor people is from rich people. Sure it is their surplus, but without rich people, poor people will have nothing.

Please name some other articles where I "bitched" about "rich folk", Slappy. This seems to be a gross exaggeration on your part.

Just because you have money DOESN'T make you better than anyone else. The ability to HAVE money is not all down to "having the mettle to achieve and work hard and smart."

Some people simply don't have the means to make serious money - either through some intellectual deficiency, or their socio-economic situation as they were growing up, or a turn of bad luck in the early years of their adult life. There could be any number of reasons why some people simply never, ever have serious money.

Some people really couldn't care about money - as long as they have the basics, and the love of their loved ones, health and a modest retirement package, money is the last thing on their minds.

How does money make you better than your average Joe that works 5 days a week, supporting his family, sending his two kids to school (and university), and who will never have money because of his line of work? Some people settle for stability because that is what puts food on the table. People who have very little, and gamble everything, usually land up with nothing. For some, that is far too great a risk to take. Some people think way too much about ensuring that their family will always have a roof over their heads, to take chances with the security of their family.

I have met stinking rich people who are genuinely nice people. I have also met stinking rich people who are complete buttholes. I don't dislike people with money, if they realize that IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM ANY BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE! Just because you have money doesn't give you the right to act like a smacktard.

I don't begrudge people who have made money the indulgence of their whims - they've earned it and they should enjoy it, otherwise what is the point? Just be reasonable in your dealings with the little folk, that's all!

[SlappY]

Please name some other articles where I "bitched" about "rich folk", Slappy. This seems to be a gross exaggeration on your part.!

http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8676
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8608
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8451
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8552
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8353

All follows a theme.



Just because you have money DOESN'T make you better than anyone else. The ability to HAVE money is not all down to "having the mettle to achieve and work hard and smart."


I never said that. I said GENERALLY. Show me someone who has fallen into wealth and I will show you 2 who have worked hard for it. Tell you what, out of the top 10 richest people in the world, who hasnt earned their wealth?



Some people simply don't have the means to make serious money - either through some intellectual deficiency, or their socio-economic situation as they were growing up, or a turn of bad luck in the early years of their adult life. There could be any number of reasons why some people simply never, ever have serious money.


Blah, blah... political correctness aside, people, as you admitidly put, are NOT made equal. Some are better than others (be it smarts, physically or other) GENERALLY these people float to the top of the earnings pool. Need I remind you that social standards exist natrually as a biproduct of social commonality forcing them together is as unnatural as integrating homosexuality into society. And so what about it, if someone was disadvantaged. I went to university and they had to drop out of school to wash dishes at spur. I now possess a higher education therefore my net contribution to society makes me BETTER than the other person, no matter how unfortunate their circumstance may be. It is a sad story, but lets not hide the relevance in warm hugs and pats on the back.



Some people really couldn't care about money - as long as they have the basics, and the love of their loved ones, health and a modest retirement package, money is the last thing on their minds.


These people are known as hippies and should be shot. Although, show me someone who doesnt care about money and I will show you a liar. Humans are naturally competitive. Money has becomes societies benchmark. Rich people make poor people feel inacdiquate and worthless, and the kneejerk reaction to this is to lash out.



I have met stinking rich people who are genuinely nice people. I have also met stinking rich people who are complete buttholes. I don't dislike people with money, if they realize that IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM ANY BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE! Just because you have money doesn't give you the right to act like a smacktard.


I have met NICE drug addicts. Beggers as mostly NICE. Most serial killers are NICE. Has squat to do with being BETTER. A model is BETTER looking than a leppar. A scientist is a BETTER thinker than a retard. Not nice to say, but facts are rarely nice. I have NEVER seen a rich leppar or a rich retard.



I don't begrudge people who have made money the indulgence of their whims - they've earned it and they should enjoy it, otherwise what is the point? Just be reasonable in your dealings with the little folk, that's all


You post on space travel has you saying otherwise.
And what is not reasonable about getting a conceirge service to do your bidding. It is their job of course. And they certainly ARE paying for it. Is it not reasonable for someone to get a service they pay for? Is it not reasonable to assume that a 5 hour round trip to pick up a bunny in terms of pay per hour cost the millionaire exponentially more than the concierge?

The crux of what I am saying is "IN GENERAL". Who knows, there very well might be a rich retard out there.

[Thumponius]

Not much wealth or richness but plenty of the other: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=17192

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Ofc there's always this version...

[WingNut]

Woah... that was an awesome video! Hahaha, Really enjoyed it... "Shut yer cakehole, Tinkerbell, unless ye wanna knuckle sarnie!!!" :rofl:

[Flatty]

http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8676
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8608
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8451
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8552
http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8353

All follows a theme.



I never said that. I said GENERALLY. Show me someone who has fallen into wealth and I will show you 2 who have worked hard for it. Tell you what, out of the top 10 richest people in the world, who hasnt earned their wealth?



Blah, blah... political correctness aside, people, as you admitidly put, are NOT made equal. Some are better than others (be it smarts, physically or other) GENERALLY these people float to the top of the earnings pool. Need I remind you that social standards exist natrually as a biproduct of social commonality forcing them together is as unnatural as integrating homosexuality into society. And so what about it, if someone was disadvantaged. I went to university and they had to drop out of school to wash dishes at spur. I now possess a higher education therefore my net contribution to society makes me BETTER than the other person, no matter how unfortunate their circumstance may be. It is a sad story, but lets not hide the relevance in warm hugs and pats on the back.



These people are known as hippies and should be shot. Although, show me someone who doesnt care about money and I will show you a liar. Humans are naturally competitive. Money has becomes societies benchmark. Rich people make poor people feel inacdiquate and worthless, and the kneejerk reaction to this is to lash out.



I have met NICE drug addicts. Beggers as mostly NICE. Most serial killers are NICE. Has squat to do with being BETTER. A model is BETTER looking than a leppar. A scientist is a BETTER thinker than a retard. Not nice to say, but facts are rarely nice. I have NEVER seen a rich leppar or a rich retard.



You post on space travel has you saying otherwise.
And what is not reasonable about getting a conceirge service to do your bidding. It is their job of course. And they certainly ARE paying for it. Is it not reasonable for someone to get a service they pay for? Is it not reasonable to assume that a 5 hour round trip to pick up a bunny in terms of pay per hour cost the millionaire exponentially more than the concierge?

The crux of what I am saying is "IN GENERAL". Who knows, there very well might be a rich retard out there.

1. I was not bitching about O'Brien's windfall, I was pointing out the irony in him saying that he "held out for a better package for his staff" and then dishing them a lousy $12 million out of $45 million. Is that now "bitching?"

2. You assume this post http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8608 on "poor Americans" is me "bitching" about "people with money," and not simply pointing out that if that is what the Americans consider "poor", then what do they consider the majority of Africans? By extension, I do not think ALL Americans are rich, or have money. :confused:

3. As for the Space Hotel - I presume you'll be whipping out your $200,000 for a trip since you're so much better than me.

4. How does telling a story of two hermits http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8552 who came into a crap load of money "bitching?" I posted the link & summarized the story - did you see me actually comment AT ALL?

5. Once again - Footballer's Salaries http://www.wargeeks.org/showthread.php?t=8353 - I posted an article verbatim, without so much as one word of negativity regarding their salaries. So much for "bitching!"

Once again, just because you have money doesn't make you any better than anyone else.

You say it doesn't matter what your personal circumstances are, that having money makes you better than the next man?

NO - having money doesn't make you better - it makes you more fortunate.

YES, Slappy, you're so much "better" than these kids:

http://prophecystudy.com/prophecy/end_times/images/baidoa_somalia_92.jpg

...who of course, are too damned lazy to get off their starving butts and put some pedal-to-the-metal, get their asses off to MIT and develop the next big thing.

You're also so much better than this kid:

http://www.dadalos.org/int/menschenrechte/Grundkurs_MR3/Kinderrechte/Graphiken/Kindersoldat.jpg

...who was probably fed drugs to indoctrinate his mind so that he could join a rebel army, and help some rich American conglomerate rape his country of its natural resources.

How is a child that grew up in a home with an alchoholic father, being beaten senseless, watching his mother & siblings being beaten senseless, supposed to excel at school? Do you have any idea how violence in the home affects a child's learning ability, their emotional stability, and their social abilities? Do you have any idea how that affects their earning potential?

You assume that everyone comes from a stable home without artillery falling, had the benefit of a good education with proper access to learning materials, and the benefit of adult guidance that would enable them to reach for their dreams. In a perfect world, it would be so.

Contrary to what you believe, there are actually people who value the time they spend with their families more than striving to amass wealth (which of course requires more time at work and less time with the people they care about).

Not everybody kisses ass to get to the top of their game. Some people refuse to. Clearly people who place money above their pride are willing to kiss ass.

Having money doesn't make you better than anyone else.

It is love, and compassion, that makes the world a better place. Not money.

I had a rich friend in the army who used to make kak everywhere he went because he was so much "better" than everyone else - until one day he made kak with about 6 big Afrikaans dudes after a jol. I let one of them kick the crap out of him - the others agreed not to climb in if I didn't. It was the humane thing to do. At the end of the day - money, or not - you bleed just the same as everyone else!

If you have money, indulge your whims - just don't be a total tool about it, and expect people to jump, and ask you how high, just because you have money.

With great power, comes great responsibility!

[SlappY]

Of course I am bloody better than those kids in the pictures. Jeez. They do not have one redeeming quality. Stop focusing on circumstance and look at net result.

you miss the point. Who contributes more to the greater good? Angalina Jolie or a starving kid in Somalia?

You keep getting your definition of what is better mixed up with political correctness.

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Something else you need to take cognicense of is that a persons sense of self preservation will almost always trump their investment in humanity. In general someone will make sure their own needs are fullfilled before tending to others. Now in the case of living hand to mouth the individual has no means to "be a better person". whilst born out of circumstance, it still instills ego centric behavior in poor people which is why almost every poor person has a chip on their shoulder and thinks the world owes them something.

[Hoss]

:popcorn:

[senorblinky]

Yeah, i'm only reading Slappy's side of the whole thing, it's short.
Should probably read the whole thing if i want to give an opinion...
Nah! I'll just join you uncle Hossie :D

:popcorn:

[rainy]

I am half a metre away from closing this thread.

[Flatty]

Well, in the case of most African countries, the world does owe them something. Besides the fact that civilized world farmed Africa for slaves for hundreds of years, and performed unspeakable acts on them while they were in slavery, the world is still raping Africa.

Do you think these wars festering all over our continent just happen? Anyway, that is getting into the realm of politics, so I'll leave it at that.

Is Angelina "better" than the starving kid because she contributes more, or does she choose to contribute more because she is more fortunate? Just because you are in a position to contribute more doesn't make you better than the person who can't contribute financially.

People contribute in all sorts of ways, and gazillions of those ways don't involve spending money. It could be time vested in helping out an orphanage, or raising funds for a cure for some disease, or simply giving a beggar your stale bread - none of which involve spending money.

So, Slappy, I am assuming you "have" money since you are so vociferous in the defense of it. Is that money of yours going to stave off the inevitable? Is it going to make you immune to the truck that decides to ride over your car? How will you ever be sure whether the woman you choose to be with is there for your winning personality, or just there for a slice of the cake?

Money is evil, the way I see it. It is a necessary fact of life, unfortunately - but too much unnecessary suffering is happening in the world because of the abuse of money and the power that it brings.

Do you think Angelina's contribution to society will even make the slightest dent in situations created by her government to enrich its people? Do you honestly believe that America's interest in Afghanistan & Iraq was humanitarian, and not some nefarious scheme to bolster their arms industry, enriching the fat cats that are so much "better" than the impoverished people of the nations they invaded?

I could care less about "politically correct". I care about what is in a person's heart. I care that the poor bugger knocking on my door looking for work is being screwed by the "better" people in our government who are supposed to be helping him.

I could care less if you drive a Porsche, or a Ferrari - if you treat people with less respect because you feel that your bank balance entitles you to, then you're not worthy of being in included in the human race. We all have feelings - rich and poor.

[rainy]

And he who dies with the most toys is still dead...

[sss]

but happy... cause he got to play with all those toys

[SlappY]

I cant believe you played the race card. ROFLMAO.
You still harping on about this circumstance thing.
You are arguing a topic, but are making the definition of it fluid to suit your means.
When I say person X is better than person Y, I am concisely saying the net result of their contribution on the world outweighs that of the other. And while I agree I am oversimplifying the topic, the reason I do so is because to factor in circumstance into the argument would mean to explore every paradox for every human on the planet to assess their actions. We are where we are because of what has come before, good or bad. To look back retrospectively and say it should have been done better is a little arogant. Take your slavery argument. It is a widely accepted fact that salvery is evil. But the net result is the offspring of the slaves now get to enjoy civil liberties in the greatest country with the biggest oppertunities on earth. The standard of living and quality of life for generations into perpetuity is far greater now than in their native countries. Is this pennence enough for the suffering of a sinlge generation, bearing in mind the victims are long since past?


You believe many mainstream fallacies:

Money is evil
Rich people are rich because they sat back and got given money
Rich people dont care about other people
Poor people are in their position because of something the couldnt help
Everyone is equal

Sad truth is that these mainstream beliefs are the minority:

Money is an instrument of trade. It lets a baker be able to purchase a computer without knowing how to build a computer. This is a good thing.

Most rich people WORKED HARD for their money. Infact the reason most say person X is obsessed with money is true as the person has dedicated their entire life to do so. Often making incredible personal sacrifice.

Rich people rand for rand contribute more to charity than anyone else. They dont have to. They do it willingly.

Most poor people are in their positions due to situations they could control. The starving people of Africa overthrew their stable governments and gave these genocidal monsters oppertunity. Sure you can argue they were being oppressed, but damm were they not in a better place than they are now? Alchaholics, drug addicts, etc almost ALWAYS end up victims of their choices. Varsity dropouts that cant see the bigger picture and would rather chase the instant gratification of making money waiting tables.

No one is equal. There seems to be a stigma these days whereby the best player is evil. The underdog is the champion of the media, and people deplore success. However cut through these newpaper selling fairy tails and you will see the laws of nature work better. We are MEANT to have leaders. We are MEANT to have a cast system. Reason for this is that if noone accepts their place then nothing will ever get done (Look at this country, everyone is trying to be the boss while it falls apart around them) Ant colonies thrive because everyone accepts their place in society and gets on with it. Historically, every great civilization rose to power on the back of a strict hierarchic type of governance. Aztecs, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, England, USA, Russia, China, the list goes on. None of those were founded on democracy.

I am sorry if I sound insensitive, but facts are rarely pleasent and padded. Remember we all live in the same world, it is as cruel to me as it is to you. No one owes anyone anything. People make their own choices. No one is equal.

To answer your question. No I am not rich (although the term itself is completely relative) I get by, but I am not loaded. I am however VERY analytical and can cut through the crap and see things for what they are. I firmly believe this world will only make inroads when political correctness gets kicked to the curb, and people stop blaming the top echelon and take responsibility for their plot in life.
You cant make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor.

[Thumponius]

I love mankind. It's only people I have issues with.

[SlappY]

Is Angelina "better" than the starving kid because she contributes more, or does she choose to contribute more because she is more fortunate? Just because you are in a position to contribute more doesn't make you better than the person who can't contribute financially.


We are not qualified to answer that.
That questions needs to be posed to the thousands of people that can eat at night because of her money.

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I love mankind. It's only people I have issues with.

Heehee...
Although I would say it the other way around.
People are fine, collectively they are scum.

[Flatty]

Race card? Just because I mentioned the fact that the rest of the world is still raping Africa, it's the race card?

The colour of their skin doesn't change the situation - it is happening. It is also happening in Afghanistan & Iraq - countries being exploited for the benefit of rich people back in America simply because they can.

As for the poverty in Africa - it didn't just happen. People don't just rise up and overthrow the functioning government. It requires a catalyst, which is invariably backed by Western cash in the hopes of procuring access to valuable minerals, etc. When you have a Western-backed, armed rebel faction intent on overthrowing the government, what do you expect the plebs to do - attack them with spears? Do you think the masses have any say in these matters? How brave would you be against a band of rebels rolling through your village armed with AK-47's, when all you've got is a hoe?

Most rich people donate to charity so they claim the tax benefits thereof. Simple self enrichment. Nothing more, nothing less.

Money is evil The pursuit of wealth will lead people to do things they otherwise wouldn't do.
Rich people are rich because they sat back and got given money
Yeah, sure - I really believe that. :p
Rich people don't care about other people
If you're a butthole, you're a butthole - money doesn't change that.
Poor people are in their position because of something the couldnt help
Taken proportionately, that is true. I am not talking about people who drank/drugged/gambled all their money away - I am talking about people that were born into these situations. People for whom putting your notion of having "the mettle to achieve and work hard and smart" will never be a reality because trying to do these things takes a lot of energy, and quite frankly they need that energy to go and fill the bucket with water from the river.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

"Almost half the world — over three billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day."

Everyone is equal Yes, we are - we are all susceptible to the same illnesses, the same emotions & the same inevitable end. Just because someone has money doesn't make them a better person - more fortunate, not better.

The U.S.A. is, and always has been, a democracy.

"You cant make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor."

But you can improve the lives of poor people when all the rich people stop being so bloody greedy. If all the African countries were not giving out concessions to the Western countries that funded the rebel movements that overthrew their governments, the African people would be able to get fair value from the minerals they are supplying the rest of the world, and thus have more for internal development and enrichment of their own people.

Don't even get me started on Afghanistan and Iraq. Al Qeida my ass.

This whole conversation started because you implied that people with money are better than people without money. Sure, better fed, better clothed, better educated, but better people?

Define "better." Is a person who ekes a living out as a truck driver inferior to a person who has money earned as a computer programmer, for instance? Does the programmer have more right to speak his mind? Are the truck driver's charitable actions inferior to those of the programmer because he has less money?

I am not a Socialist, I support Capitalism 100%. If you amass great wealth, well done. Just don't, for one second, think I am not going to smack you in the chops if you come into my place of business and start throwing your weight around, having total disregard for common human decency, just because you have a hefty bank balance and you think you're "better" than me ;)

[SlappY]

ROFL...wait wait... so let me get this straight. People MAKE money by giving it to charity.
In any way, you shifting your argument again.

You living in a dream world. You support captialism, but are against socio economic divides (A bi product of capitalism combined with people not being equal...some work harder). People can make money, but only as much as you deem enough, else they greedy. "The pursuit of wealth will lead people to do things they otherwise wouldn't do" but the desperation of starvation wont? Or must a moral code only be enforced on rich people.

I am not sure who you trying to impress, but your arguments are SO flawed with contridictions you couldnt possibly live by these mantras?

Lets agree to disagree on this one. For my part, I will continue donating a percentage of my monthly salary to the SPCA because I have zero to no time for starving African countries. Although I will consult my broker to see how I can supplement my income by giving it away.

:)

[Flatty]

No, Slappy - in SA there is a tax benefit to donating money to a charity. It is a tax write-off, which will then lower the amount of tax you pay on your total income. I think the amount is relatively small here, but in countries like America it is substantially larger.

People can make as much money as they want - perhaps they should just check what methods are being used by the companies they invest in to gain them profits. Rich people have a choice about their actions, poor people don't. When you're starving there is no moral compunction to abide by the laws of society.

Anyway - I agree to disagree - no problem. :D

[SlappY]

Yes I know what a rebate is. Does not detract from the fact that giving your capital away you net less, no matter what tax break you get, tax being a function of a percentage and capital. If this balance were to be so out as to "enrich" people, then it means the Federal Government is subsidising ALL charity donations 100% and then some.

Oh and the USA was founded off the back of the English Monarch. Independence day, etc, etc. Wasnt just a cool alien movie.

And I did define better...several times.


"When you're starving there is no moral compunction to abide by the laws of society. "
So essentially you saying rich people must live by a different moral code. Thought you said everyone is equal?

Aw man, I am just stirring now. :) Just ignore me

But seriously... compunction.... is TOTALLY the word of the day. It sounds awesome!

[Flatty]

When money won't buy food because there is none, rich people will resort to the same devices as poor people.

[senorblinky]

I was driving to work this morning and i saw a Johannesburg Road's Association vehicle parked on the side walk at the top of my street. When i drove past my home again, i noticed that they had painted the word "SLOW" at the top of the street and again in the opposite lane for oncoming traffic. They also planted a signpost that warned motorists that kids may be crossing.

I was really thankful when i saw that, because there is a crèche a couple of houses up from me, and i would hate for anyone to accidentally bump one of those kids.

[Flatty]

There's a hidden meaning in those words, Blinky - I am just stumped as to what it is :p

[SlappY]

Not really... he is one of those broke retards I was talking about.

[senorblinky]

Like your mother.
If she did a better job, i'd pay her more.

[Askari]

Stop picking on the Mini driver (shurrup Vortex!)

Flattie. Dont worry about the masses in Africa. They wanted rid of colonialism and got it. Now they are doing exactly what they were doing before the white man came: murdering each other, living in huts and starving in their droves due to clan wars. Then there are the few powerful groups selling things like oil and minerals to 'the men from across the waters' just like their predecessors sold people from other tribes to the Arabs and later the Europeans and still later the Americans as slaves. Same shit different century.

You call them poor because they dont all drive Mercs and only live off less than $2.50 a day? You call them a victim of their circumstances? I call them backward and no amount of education and opportunity is going to change their mentality. They will still breed like bunnies even when theres no food. Even lesser species like frogs, birds and monkeys dont breed when resources are in short supply.

Survival of the fittest is actually survival of the most intelligent (until some clever oke blows us all to smithereens) because the clever will always enslave the stupid and physically strong. Its the order of things.

[SlappY]

Like your mother.
If she did a better job, i'd pay her more.

ROFLMAO. Pwnd.
Tried to rep you but all repped out apprantly.

[Flatty]

You know, Slappy, come to think of it:

You are the one who said I "really don't like people with money" and posted a whole bunch of irrelevant posts I made about people and/or situations involving money, yet in none of them could it be construed that I dislike people with money.

You have failed to address your unfounded statement, and passed the buck as it were. Are the majority of the posts that you linked even remotely close to proving your blatant statement that I don't like people with money? In fact, are the minority of posts that you linked even close?

Before you start pronouncing your superiority to more than half the world simply because of your economic standing, would you kindly explain how ANY of the posts I made (that you linked) point towards your assessment that I don't like people with money?

[Askari]

I have tucked Slappy into bed already, you will have to wait until tomorrow for an answer but I can take mine now.

[Flatty]

I have tucked Slappy into bed already, you will have to wait until tomorrow for an answer but I can take mine now.

Huh?

[Askari]

What you didnt notice my post #31? Am I flippin invisible now?

[Flatty]

Stop picking on the Mini driver (shurrup Vortex!)

Flattie. Dont worry about the masses in Africa. They wanted rid of colonialism and got it. Now they are doing exactly what they were doing before the white man came: murdering each other, living in huts and starving in their droves due to clan wars. Then there are the few powerful groups selling things like oil and minerals to 'the men from across the waters' just like their predecessors sold people from other tribes to the Arabs and later the Europeans and still later the Americans as slaves. Same shit different century.

You call them poor because they dont all drive Mercs and only live off less than $2.50 a day? You call them a victim of their circumstances? I call them backward and no amount of education and opportunity is going to change their mentality. They will still breed like bunnies even when theres no food. Even lesser species like frogs, birds and monkeys dont breed when resources are in short supply.

Survival of the fittest is actually survival of the most intelligent (until some clever oke blows us all to smithereens) because the clever will always enslave the stupid and physically strong. Its the order of things.

Askari, whenever you have uneducated masses you will have situations like these. Uneducated people are susceptible to manipulation, so yes, "the clever will always enslave the stupid and physically strong."

That is exactly my point. Instead of helping lift these people who are clearly suffering (for whatever reason), people who want to line their pockets are fostering situations that would not be possible without their funding.

I know no amount of posturing on my part will change that because I am just one person. It seriously irks me that people will start wars just for improved margins on their corporate balance sheet.

If you had no food, no education, no health services - you would also go to war.

This is the 21st century - don't you think it's about time we stopped pandering to the dictum of the "survival of the fittest", and started a new tenet by which to live.

It is not just Africa that has poor people - they are scattered all over the world. Rome wasn't built in a day...


What you didnt notice my post #31? Am I flippin invisible now?

One of the perks of fatherhood, Skari - you should get used to it :p

[Vortex]

My theory:
Take everyone and give them the same education, money, housing, everything, so there was no rich and no poor, then leave it for a few years.
I believe you'd be back in the same situation, with the rich and the poor - and I'd guess that most of the rich would be the 'previously rich' and visa versa.

Sure there would be some that break the trend, but there's always exceptions to every rule.

[Sabre]

Agree with Vortie,

Colonialism in Africa happened hundreds of years ago, and despite having masses of land and minerals they continue to squanter it blaming colonialism for all their ills.

Lets look at some other examples:
Japan - virtually destroyed 50 years ago, now the worlds 3rd largest economy
China - the worlds fastest growing economy, despite having virtually no economy 50 years ago
All of Europe - were colonised repeatedly by numerous conquerers (Romans, Vikings, etc) - now a strong, stable economy
India - originally colonialised by England - now one of the fastest growing emerging economies in the world
Many more examples if you look

So why do some fail and others prosper in the SAME global economy
The difference is attitude and culture - people who take their future into their own hands tend to end up successful; those that live in the past, focussing on finding blame end up in failure - most of Africa falls in this category with Botswana being the notable exception

[Flatty]

I am actually quite impressed with Botswana - see what strict Capital Punishment can achieve.

[Askari]

Flattie. Bleeding heart liberalism is not the answer. Some people cant/wont be helped.
Now back to the original post:
I have on occasion indulged myself with some ridiculous requested from concierges and the like. Obviously nothing like on the scale of those people but indulgent nonetheless.

I dont see why people think badly of them? Hotel concierges especially those that cater for the richer clientèle exist to attend to every whim. Why judge?

[SlappY]

We got a concierge at work. (Yes, we have someone fulltime employed to run around for us)
They will do anything for you, driver license, shopping, dry cleaning.
Crappy job for sure, but its a job.

[Askari]

Also a having a manservant is something I aspire to.

[Flatty]

Suck my nade, all of you :p

[Askari]

If you change your attitude and tidy yourself up a bit I might even consider you Flattie.

[Thumponius]

:lmao:

[Darnit696]

Interesting debate.

My 10c

Money is not evil. Money is without intent. Just an object.
Its the LOVE of money that is evil.

If I have R1 and you have nothing. Am I rich?

Can you quantify all riches in terms of money?

[SlappY]

Darnit is spot on.

[Askari]

If you had R1 and Flattie had 10c then according to him you would be responsible for the plight of Africa.

[Flatty]

If you had R1 and Flattie had 10c then according to him you would be responsible for the plight of Africa.

You okes are wrong :gno:

I do not advocate rich nations/people taking their cash & dishing it out to poor nations/people.

I do advocate rich nations/people not using their financial muscle to manipulate situations in countries that have natural resources for increased financial gain.

If African, and other countries (such as Iraq & Afghanistan) were simply paid for their resources according to the established principle of supply & demand, they would have more money to improve their situations without outside intervention.

BUT, no - we have some greedy gits who realize that an unstable country makes for easy pickings. So what do they do? Destabilize the situation by funding rebel factions with the promise that when these rebel factions come into power, the financier (corporation/government/CIA - who cares) will gain preferential access to whatever resources are being sought.

People are being enriched on the suffering of others. That is what I detest.

[Askari]

The concept of 'use it or lose it' applies.

[Flatty]

The concept of 'use it or lose it' applies.

Kinda like Hitler, then? Oh, wait, I just lost this argument. :p

[Askari]

Finally you realise this!

[Flatty]

No, I am still waiting for Slappy to tell me how I "really don't like people with money" based on the posts I have made on this forum.

I really don't like people with, or without, money abusing other people for financial gain - isn't life hard enough without all that?

Of course, if it were a porn star abusing me for financial gain I'd be 100% satisfied :D

[Askari]

Because you think people who make wierd requests to hotel concierges are bad. Now go clean the pool, Phillistine.

[Flatty]

There's a difference between "weird" and "unreasonable" :p

[rainy]

Because you think people who make wierd requests to hotel concierges are bad.

Noone said anything about good or bad. They're just delusional and have lost touch with reality. No moral judgement in there ;)

[Askari]

Noooooo, none at all!

[Thumponius]

Round Umpteen

:popcorn:

This is like Neverending Story without the cuteness.

[Nitty]

Fixed :D

2549

[Hoss]

That THING, was never cute; it freaked the living c$%^ out of me as a kid!

[Flatty]

I love that thing - Never Ending Story, theme song by Time Machine :)

Song irritates me a bit now...

I am amazed that we managed to keep a thread on topic for so many pages.

[Askari]

How is Never Ending Story on topic Manservant of mine??